How to make cukoo silkies

[nicalandia]

is there anyway that someone someday will have a cuckoo with dark skin and mulberry comb

Yes there is a way... just get to Black skined Barred silkies and then we will talk. just do step by step. it will take time but its worth it..

 

[sager:)silkies]

Yes there is a way... just get to Black skined Barred silkies and then we will talk. just do step by step. it will take time but its worth it..

Yes i wll lol just curious on how thigs will work
Right now my friend has her black roo over her barred rock bantem and i just wanted to know what they look like so i know i am doin things right so far ppl said i preety much am goin to get a normal featherd barred silkie

 

[Bator Babies]

what does Id stand for?

No, breed back to a silkie for 50% silkie feathered offspring. Breeding brothers to sisters will give 25% that are silkie feathered. Of the remaining 75% non-silkie feathered birds, you willl not be able to tell who inherited silkie feathering in one copy and who did not inherit the gene at all. If you select the F1s who are barred, they will supply it to their offspring: fathers to about half their offspring, irrespective of gender, mothers to sons. If you cull F1 females from the program, as Marvin suggests, then you will get barred F2s of both genders. However, barring itself lightens skin; it isn't just Id that is at issue. But getting rid of the Id problem will certainly help.

 

[nicalandia]

what does Id stand for?

sex linked Dermal inhibitor(Id). it inhibit dermal pigment on the bird´s skin and shanks. its sex linked meaning boys carry two copies of the gene Id/Id and hens can only carry one copy Id/- because hens can only have one copy of the Z chromosome(boys are ZZ and girls are ZW, the W gene is as useless as our Y chromosome)

id+ is the wild counter part, its found on the red jungle fowl and its recessive to Id, so if a rooster is Id/id+ it will not show black skin at all as black skin needs id+/id+ roosters or id+/- hens to show black skin..

 

[sager:)silkies]

Yes i wll lol just curious on how thigs will work
Right now my friend has her black roo over her barred rock bantem and i just wanted to know what they look like so i know i am doin things right so far ppl said i preety much am goin to get a normal featherd barred silkie

 

[Bator Babies]

thanks. i am so going to have to read this a few times. would this work if I used a barred cochin and a split lavender( Black) silkie roo.

sex linked Dermal inhibitor(Id). it inhibit dermal pigment on the bird´s skin and shanks. its sex linked meaning boys carry two copies of the gene Id/Id and hens can only carry one copy Id/- because hens can only have one copy of the Z chromosome(boys are ZZ and girls are ZW, the W gene is as useless as our Y chromosome)

id+ is the wild counter part, its found on the red jungle fowl and its recessive to Id, so if a rooster is Id/id+ it will not show black skin at all as black skin needs id+/id+ roosters or id+/- hens to show black skin..

 

[nicalandia]

thanks. i am so going to have to read this a few times. would this work if I used a barred cochin and a split lavender( Black) silkie roo.

it will work, all of your F1 chicks will be barred. you just need to keep an eye for the roosters as they are the only ones you will need at that stage

 

[sager:)silkies]

it will work, all of your F1 chicks will be barred. you just need to keep an eye for the roosters as they are the only ones you will need at that stage

i heard u can tell the roosters right away as they have light skin and the hens have dark skin since the roos have a double dose of the barred gene

 

[nicalandia]

i heard u can tell the roosters right away as they have light skin and the hens have dark skin since the roos have a double dose of the barred gene

not realy.. only if you use a Barred hen and a black roo. as this will create id+ none barred hens and Id/id+ barred roosters. the cross using Barred rooster over a black hen will create Id/id+ barred roosters(B/b+ they can´t have a double dose of barring because one of the parent is not barred) that lack any black skin. and hens that are Id/-(from barred father, they lack the other copy of id+ because their mother can´t pass it to them, only to boys)

so what a Barred rooster x a Black hen(with Fibromelanotic) produce?

Roosters= Id/id+ B/b+ Fm/fm+ Fm stands for Fibromelanotic(Black skin) they will have clear/white skin due to Id(dermal inhibitor suppressing Fm) they will be Barred
Hens= Id/-(from dad the - sign means the lack of the other copy as they only have one Z chromosome) B/-(Barring From dad the - sign means the lack of the other copy as they only have one Z chromosome) Fm/fm+ Fm stands for Fibromelanotic(Black skin) they will have Clear/white skin skin due to Id(dermal inhibitor suppressing Fm) they will be Barred

so what a Barred hen x Black roo(with fibromelanotic) produce?

Roosters= Id/id+ B/b+ Fm/fm+ Fm stands for Fibromelanotic(Black skin) they will have clear/white skin due to Id(dermal inhibitor suppressing Fm) they will be Barred
Hens= id+/-(from dad the - sign means the lack of the other copy as they only have one Z chromosome) b+/--(none barring gene From dad the - sign means the lack of the other copy as they only have one Z chromosome) Fm/fm+ Fm stands for Fibromelanotic(Black skin) they will have Dark skin due to id+ allowing Fm to express. they will be black

so the second cross is the easiest way to sex them at hatch as the girls will have black skin and the boys wont. making it easier to cull them(give them away so you don´t have to expend resources on them)

 

[sager:)silkies]

so u are sayin the first cross that the hens wont have black skin so they all will have white.i am ginna be usein a black silkie roo over a barred rock hen so ima say what i think so ur sayin the roos are gina come out barred light skin and normal feathers so the only silkie traits they will have is featherd feet and a crest and what are the hens ginna look like so i know so i can get rid of them as soon as i can.