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That's what I don't like about New York (and even some homemade) wines...sometimes they're SO BAD you NEED to spit lol. I came across several of those at the Wreath event. Not sure if it's the soil around here, the grapes (not sweet enough?), or maybe the wine isn't aged long enough? Most seem "young" and too dry and defnitely like vinegar. Some people prefer a drier wine with lots of tannins and absolutely LOVE NY wines. I like a longer, smooth finish :-/ I'm definitely going to try to get over to Glorie. I'd like to try the Cabernet Franc your husband liked and I want to pick up a bottle or 2 of that pumpkin wine for Thanksgiving. If your husband likes red, try 87 South by Robibero. It's a blend of Cabernet Franc, merlot & cabernet. It has a peppery finish...really good! And Stoutridge is a beautiful place. They were our last stop at the Wreath event. The man (was he blonde? about 50?) couldn't wait to get us out of there! Snarky is the perfect word to describe him!