Humane Trapping of Predators... I Am Confused

[luvmychicknkids]

I love when humans argue about things that make little sense. they contradict their values on every level and dont know when to butt out of others problems. if someone is having a problem with pests stealing their food, it is of no concern to me how they dispose of the problem. I was not put on this planet to argue or police the habits of others. I am anti-abortion, I dont chase 16 year old pregnant women around telling them how to treat life. Suffering is part of life. Ask anyone who has to live under any government authority. Bottom line is that no matter how bad busy bodies want to legislate their morality, it will never work. You can plug the titanic, bit it will still sink. Same argument with drugs, abortion, grass too high, speeding......

While this statement is quite true, it is simply of little value in a thread where the question WHY be humane was specifically asked. While I would never dream of telling a pregnant 16 y/o (or any age pregnant woman for that matter) she was wrong for considering abortion, just out of the blue, I would have no problem telling my feelings if asked. There is a rather significant difference. And while, yes, suffering is a part of life, I do my best to never cause any suffering I can prevent. To me, it just makes sense.

 

[cupman]

If you are going to kill it you might as well do it quickly and be done with it. I don't see what reasons there are for not being humane about it. I don't think you can use your grandma who died of cancer in the hospital as an excuse to torture predators you catch.

 

[animals1981]

u can relsease them on goverment land here in canada its all hills and forest mostly few farms here and there just dont let them go near a farm do it in areas where there is lots of bush miles of trails or even conservation land i dont know about america maybe u guys cut down all ur trees and have nothing left some of you act as though u have no other choice but to kill it. HEre we got tonnes of land and space to let things go. HOuses and areas are full of trees and forests not farms here no one cares if a fox or a coon is running on the street it is called NATIVE wildlife. Love how some people just love to move out into the bush and want everything to die around them might asw well turn it into a city also. Here you can hire people that will trap pests and re locate them. WE have plenty of space. THe world doesnt revolve around farmers.

 

[aprophet]

I don't use lethal traps because I don't want to kill a pet,and I want to decide what to do with an animal that goes into my live trap.To me it is not confusing at all.

As far as humans go it is a shame we force people to suffer a slow death.We put pets down when they suffer,so surely we can find a way for people to make it known what THEY want when in certain situations.I think the key is getting people to express their wishes BEFORE they no longer can.

and yet lethal traps work the best in a specific situation just need to know what you are doing there are many ways to use "lethal traps" and only catch the "target animal" I do it daily

 

[redhen]

To me there is nothing more humane than 1 shot one kill. As far as stray dogs they get shot at and leave warned first if they come back after 3 times it's a dead dog. Now if the dog comes on the property for the first time to do damage to any of my animals it's a dead dog. I have 3 donkeys that keep them in check though so this is rare at my place now coyotes is a different story they get shot and killed period my husband hunts them to keep the numbers in check. They are running rampant around my place my husband has killed 70 of them this year so far and they are still thick   Coons get dead if they are treed by the dogs case in point non of my critters have gone missing or died due to diligent predator control. To me the one shot one kill works great trapping IMO is more risky as you can can be bitten or attacked my freaked out stressed out critter. 

Wow..70 of them just this year? Is that legal?

 

[yomama]

Personally, I believe any life should be taken humanely! Human, animal, no matter what! And yes, to answer your question, I am all for physician assisted suicide! Forcing humans to suffer against their will is wrong. Causing ANY living creature to suffer is wrong!

X a million!

I don't believe in killing predators, my job is to protect my livestock and chickens. My property was built near a forest full of live creatures that hunt. The forest was not put in around my house. If I were to catch a predator in the act of trying to kill one of my many animals, one that is legal to kill, I might do so. However, it would be a quick and swift death. Maiming or allowing any creature to die a slow death is just cruel. What is the point? Am I going to tell someone else not to bait a trap and kill, most likely not. But I don't feel that trapping is right. I could be wrong, but not too many kill traps are a quick death from what I understand. Not trying to start a debate on trapping, just my opinion about the subject. I really don't see how any death should not be done humanely, in regards to (animal) predators, or people, especially those that are sick and dying and in pain. When it comes down to it, how would you want to die? I'm sure none of us would want to suffer. Why is one creatures death more important than another's? (fyi, I am in no way talking about human predators. My belief system varies a tad on them.

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[Mike Winters]

universal law in this world: life is a privilege, death is a inevitable right. what i mean by that is not everything has a chance to live but then they do get that chance they HAVE to die.

a puppy or dog bites a baby and draws blood. (lets just say it was being playful) it gets put to sleep even though it didn't mean any harm.
if it was a human they get in trouble of some sort

a dog is suffering from cancer it gets put to sleep.
if human they have to suck it up and live with it

a person is suffering form terminal cancer and wants assisted suicide. in must states its illegal the person has to suffer for a few years until death takes them out of their misery.
animal gets the EASY way out


a person goes in invades a home rapes someone and kills her kids for seeing it and when hes done kills her. gets life in prison, told there a naughty person, and get a free bed and food at tax payers expense for the rest of their life.
hummm aggressive animals are killed on the spot or when they are caught

now whats wrong with all of the above sentences

our society treats some of our animals better then we treat each other.
YET "the animals always get the easy way out"

 

[Jaxon4141]

X a million!

I don't believe in killing predators, my job is to protect my livestock and chickens. My property was built near a forest full of live creatures that hunt. The forest was not put in around my house. If I were to catch a predator in the act of trying to kill one of my many animals, one that is legal to kill, I might do so. However, it would be a quick and swift death. Maiming or allowing any creature to die a slow death is just cruel. What is the point? Am I going to tell someone else not to bait a trap and kill, most likely not. But I don't feel that trapping is right. I could be wrong, but not too many kill traps are a quick death from what I understand. Not trying to start a debate on trapping, just my opinion about the subject. I really don't see how any death should not be done humanely, in regards to (animal) predators, or people, especially those that are sick and dying and in pain. When it comes down to it, how would you want to die? I'm sure none of us would want to suffer. Why is one creatures death more important than another's? (fyi, I am in no way talking about human predators. My belief system varies a tad on them.

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How I wish more people had this type of attitude towards predators. Most play a very important role in the ecosystem and destroying them inevitably leads to other problems.

 

[cupman]

I took a conservation biology class earlier in the year. The class was taught by this super liberal hippy guy so take what I learned with a grain of salt.. but we watched a few videos about sport-hunts involving coyotes in Arizona. They would take a 24 hour period and let all the hunters loose to try and kill the most coyotes. They just destroyed the corpses, never used a single bit of the animal. Anyways the one thing I learned that was very interesting had to do with coyotes and their reproductive habits. If they start dying in large numbers their species' defense mechanism actually makes them start breeding younger and having larger litters of offspring. Again, the class was taught by a man with a bias.. but if what he(and the videos we watched) says is true it is a very interesting phenomenon.

 

[Jaxon4141]

I took a conservation biology class earlier in the year. The class was taught by this super liberal hippy guy so take what I learned with a grain of salt.. but we watched a few videos about sport-hunts involving coyotes in Arizona. They would take a 24 hour period and let all the hunters loose to try and kill the most coyotes. They just destroyed the corpses, never used a single bit of the animal. Anyways the one thing I learned that was very interesting had to do with coyotes and their reproductive habits. If they start dying in large numbers their species' defense mechanism actually makes them start breeding younger and having larger litters of offspring. Again, the class was taught by a man with a bias.. but if what he(and the videos we watched) says is true it is a very interesting phenomenon.

Talk about bias, labeling, pigeon holing...
Coyotes have a social structure that keeps there reproductive strategies with the older dominate members. When you take that structure away the younger ones will be free to reproduce. Trying to kill all the coyotes in an area is not likely to succeed for any length of time and they are very smart.
My parents were descendents of homesteader in the Rocky Mountains. They loved the country they were born in. When I was a kid we had predators from the very small to the very large. My folks managed to ranch in this environment without resorting to kill everything around them. We had chickens, cattle and sheep and we kept them safe without shooting, trapping or poisoning anything, the only exception were a few bears that were relocated to higher country. My folks worked hard to keep their environment for being lost. I inherited that same feeling. I do not kill the wildlife around me! I am an apex predator with the largest brain of any animal on this planet and I can demonstrate that by being able to do what my folk did and feel proud about it. Sadly there seems to be few that share that power. They seem to try and take what looks like the easy way of handling predators and end up make a mess of it. If being concerned about the environment makes one a liberal hippy, then I guess I'll were that label proudly.