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I'm traveling at the moment actually for the next three weeks or so- sorry to be hasty.

The issues here a multi-faceted. Hybridization of captive wild species is one of the greatest threats to captive populations. There will simply never be another chance. You don't get to go back in time. Closely related forms are being muddied together with increasing frequency as healthy captive populations plummet due to poor management.
High mortality of females for example, leads to parties not being able to locate the female that they need or require. Some people just feel a need to throw a screw in the works to see what happens.


That said, Sterile hybrids are dead ends. Some biologists especially those focused on pleisiomorphic traits, like myself, will have studied many hybrid skins and even live animals with hybrid ancestry. This doesn't lead to much independence from the judgment wagon. Once you've been implicated as a 'hybridizer" many serious aviculturists will shy away from you even if your hybrids are produced or purchased from/by other parties.

As soon as humanly possible I'll return to this. One issue that deserves addressing is the issue of the term hybrid.

In fact, a hybrid is a cross between any two genotypes. This can be a cross between two different breeds of domestic dog as easily as a hybrid between a a domestic dog and a jackal; the cross between a a bear and a dog, if that were possible, would also be defined as a hybrid.


A bear and a jackal are about as closely related to one another as a Reeves and a Silver Pheasant - or any two genera of genuine pheasants- for example Lophura ( Silver Pheasant and Kalij) and Chyrsolophus ( Golden and Amherst Pheasants). Fertile male offspring are a possibility in the hybrids between monophyletic genera- for example the dog and the jackal and the Lophura and Chrysolophus pheasants. In most birds, sterility of hybrid females is the rule -when two ( even monophyletic) genera are concerned.

In mammals, it is the males that are invariably sterile in hybrids between distantly related species, while the females will occasionally be fertile- for example- the dog X jackal hybrid would produce a few fertile females from which more domestic dogs could be theoretically produced- blended back into domestic breeds. The male progeny would invariably be sterile.

It is becoming increasingly apparent that a growing number of bird enthusiasts do not understand the responsibility they have as stewards of wild species much less domestic mutations and breeds. The situation with Eclipse Pheasants ( Golden X Amherst) and Spaulding Peafowl ( Green X Blue) are examples of unadulterated selfishness and greed.
It is so difficult to locate a pure Indian Blue or Red Golden they are in all effects extinct in captivity. The same is true for the Green Peafowl and Amherst Pheasant.
Yes birds with bloodstock entirely unpolluted do exist but the readiness that unscrupulous wheeler dealers and home made master chefs have to intentionally produce hybrdis to 'see what they get' is really frightening.
Many biologists understand that the study of hybrids has and will continue to be an important foundation in developing theories of systematics and evolutionary biology.

I'm of the mindset that anyone that maintains or produces hybrids must create and diligently maintain registries that list every single specimen and all of their offspring.

But at the end of the day- we have a major problem with record keeping in general. If you are truly dedicated to the discipline of aviculture and/or selective breeding you shoulder a large burden that begins and ends with adequate documentation.

I don't care if you bred nothing but purse snowflake gorillas from a single pair of "wild caught stock" for 20 years. If you don't maintain documentation of that stock and help to follow the bloodlines- as a collaborative- in close cooperation- you are just yet another person exploiting captive bred wild stock for your own self-interest.
If you are producing hybrids or- breeding back towards a phenotype that more closely resembles one parent or the other, you have an even larger mark against you.
There will never be an unpolluted line once it has been contaminated.
If you know the difference between different evolutionary novelties- and enter into cooperative breeding groups with other educated individuals you can work towards shared objectives and goals. If you just do as you may with no concern for anyone but your own selfish interests- to produce the perfect emerald pied or whatever- and keep pushing out and surplusing all these birds that look exactly like green peafowl, you are a jerk, straight and simple.
 
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Okay, well, since we're sort of on the topic and since all the experts are here, I have a serious question....

Can I keep 2 pens, one with all males of different breeds and one with all females of (the same) different breeds and pair the corresponding pheasants together in a sperate breeding pen when I want fertile eggs?

The reason I ask this is because I don't want to keep a seperate pen for each variety should I choose to invest in more than 2 varieties but instead of housing all the pheasants together and hoping they breed with the right ones (and to prevent ending up with hybrids).

I know some breeds of hens are more aggressive than others and cannot be kept with other birds, so if I can do this, which breeds can successfully be kept together without fighting?

I know I really should start a new topic with my questions.... I probably still will.............
 
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My opinion is- there are so many factors it is hard to give you a Black & White answer.

Pen size, which types of pheasants, time of year, age, etc will all have an influencing factor to success.

With that said- we do house several male pheasants of various types together on display at a few zoos each summer. Mainly ruffed pheasants (golden & amherst, which are usually not agressive) with one male from the Gallo, Longtailed & Eared families. As long as they are not within view of the females, they GENERALLY get along, but I also know the attitudes most of them have, so any overly dominant males are not used in the group.

Same principle would apply to a female group.
 
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I tried this years ago when I first started raising pheasants.I housed all the males in 1 pen and the hens in another pen fir the winter.In Feb I moved them all outside to their pens and they just didn't like the fact of being caught.Needless to say,I had a very bad hatching season that year.From then on I left them in their pens all year and things worked out fine.I find it best to keep your pairs in their pen you want them to breed in all year.
The males and females just didn't seem interested in each other after you stress them out by catching them.This is just my experience with them.
In N.H.,Tony.
 
I see every1 point of view ……………but I’m not looking to get in a heavy heated debate about this nor a controversy on this subject,
but is it ok to mix breeds or Hybridize of ducks --------chickens or quail and even turkeys , and most will not even charm in about mixing such bird s,
And most will not debate this or mix breeding of the above birds ,

but it seem that when it come to Pheasants ……………….LOOK OUT ……….. Is it B-cuz that there are not many True breeders out there and that the TRUE BREEDERS OF PHEASENTS AND THE SO-CALL BREEDERS ( OF MIX OR WHAT EVER ) ARE JUST LOOKING FOR THE BUCK $$$$$ where as the true Breeders are looking to keep the breed going strong for out future generations of children………and so forth and keep the True Birds TRUE IN THERE COLOR AND GENES AND NOT FOR THE BUCK …………….

Where there many true breeders of chickens and ducks -quail -and turkeys then there is Pheasants breeders .

If this is the case then I see your point of view ………………..and I’m also am looking to keep all breeds true when breeding them on a small scale of a farming and breeding , but I do like the mix of colors of different of all birds ……….and ,breeds for personal use only and keeping them for my self only ………and only selling pure breeds of all bird breeds of the above ……..


Alan
 
I can't offer much on ducks, turkeys, etc., because I don't raise them, but in the case of chickens, you are dealing with breeds as oppose to species. Most breeds were developed by breeders by combining different breeds, so they really aren't "pure" to begin with. Although introducing outside blood to an established breed is generally discouraged, it's not unusual to have a throwback pop up in a "purebred" line of chickens - odd color, incorrect comb, wrong egg color, etc. - because of the variety of genes that were blended together in the beginning.

On the other hand, pheasant species developed naturally in their native habitats over long periods of time. Since something created by nature is hard to replicate, and these habitats are rapidly disappearing, there is a great deal of concern for preserving captive birds in their natural form, in case that may some day be the only place they're found. This is the case with parrots as well. I have a beautiful, bonded pair of orange-winged Amazons, but I've never allowed them to breed because I suspect the female may be mixed with blue-front, so they remain pets, and she uses her gift of speech to direct me in my daily activities, making sure I don't overlook anything of importance...
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same is true on domestic ducks , turkeys, and the list, these are all domestic breeds, NOT WILD species. There is a difference between the two, a species is it's own group, not mixed over generations to "create" it. It is a naturally occurring wild animal.
That is why folks get defensive about this. These are NOT your backyard pets. In most cases wild pheasant species are on the endangered species list to start with.
People tend to forget this when it comes to all pheasants, look what's happened to the ringneck.
Now if folks were to start doing this to wild migratory waterfowl, you'd see the same defense pop up for the species.
Same could be said for cranes, swans, wild guinea fowls, parrots, etc. This is the type of fowl you are dealing with here, WILD, not domestic back yard chickens.
Just remember that. It isnt about the money at all, it's the preservation of the individual species in their natural form.
Another good example is take a look at the 3 subspecies of muticus (green ) peafowl. It's very hard to find a true pure breed any more due to all the work in the spaulding field.

This is why people get so defensive over pheasants. They are to be kept with conservation of the species in mind. Not a "lets see what I get if I cross this with that" mind set. However, people are going to be people, it's our nature to distroy....
 

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