34 - 36 degrees for the better part of a week will do the trick and render most useless for hatching. I have heard that a couple seconds in the microwave will do it too. Have never tried it though.
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OK... Here's another hypothetical question. Just food for thought and no judgement of the hypothetical chicken breeder.
If someone goes through the time, money and trouble of breeding superior chickens, why would they want to deny someone else of their work and possibly improving further on their lines? Theoretically, the reason to breed better quality is to have a positive influence on the gene pool for the entire breed. If the chickens were that much superior, his lines would be in demand and the breeder could also command a higher price for his hatching eggs.
As far as selling eggs for eating, a thoughtful breeder would probably not have his roosters that produce well to have exposure to "lesser" hens, but only to the ones that exhibit the traits and conformation he is breeding for to improve his line. Thoughts?
If someone goes through the time, money and trouble of breeding superior chickens, why would they want to deny someone else of their work and possibly improving further on their lines? Theoretically, the reason to breed better quality is to have a positive influence on the gene pool for the entire breed. If the chickens were that much superior, his lines would be in demand and the breeder could also command a higher price for his hatching eggs.
As far as selling eggs for eating, a thoughtful breeder would probably not have his roosters that produce well to have exposure to "lesser" hens, but only to the ones that exhibit the traits and conformation he is breeding for to improve his line. Thoughts?
I guess if I was the breeder I'd be a little upset if someone was trying to reap the benefits of a long period of work by buying eating eggs and then trying to hatch them knowing all along that they never intended to eat them. If someone isn't willing to pay the price for the hatching eggs they shouldn't try to cheat and get them for cheaper. No different than lying in my book.
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Agreed. But the point I was trying to make was that the quality hatching eggs would not be sold as table eggs. A good breeder who wants to breed for quality is careful and deliberate. He will know exactly which rooster and hen produced which eggs. He will keep meticulous records and study the results - which means he will keep chicks into their adulthood and cull as necesary. Unwanted eggs from the breeding stock could be sold at a premium price to others who would like to improve their own lines. If he wants to sell table eggs in addition to establishing a breeding program, he would have stock specifically intended for that use.
Agreed. But the point I was trying to make was that the quality hatching eggs would not be sold as table eggs. A good breeder who wants to breed for quality is careful and deliberate. He will know exactly which rooster and hen produced which eggs. He will keep meticulous records and study the results - which means he will keep chicks into their adulthood and cull as necesary. Unwanted eggs from the breeding stock could be sold at a premium price to others who would like to improve their own lines. If he wants to sell table eggs in addition to establishing a breeding program, he would have stock specifically intended for that use.
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Agreed. But the point I was trying to make was that the quality hatching eggs would not be sold as table eggs. A good breeder who wants to breed for quality is careful and deliberate. He will know exactly which rooster and hen produced which eggs. He will keep meticulous records and study the results - which means he will keep chicks into their adulthood and cull as necesary. Unwanted eggs from the breeding stock could be sold at a premium price to others who would like to improve their own lines. If he wants to sell table eggs in addition to establishing a breeding program, he would have stock specifically intended for that use.
There will always be someone who tries to pass them off as birds from the breeders good stock tho. I don't mind paying for eggs that have the potential to hatch good birds. I know I'm a skeptic about peoples intentions. With the waiting lists that a lot of good breeders have I doubt that they have too many extras for table eggs setting around. I'll probably never get to the point my eggs are sought after so this isn't a problem I foresee having now or in the future!
Agreed. But the point I was trying to make was that the quality hatching eggs would not be sold as table eggs. A good breeder who wants to breed for quality is careful and deliberate. He will know exactly which rooster and hen produced which eggs. He will keep meticulous records and study the results - which means he will keep chicks into their adulthood and cull as necesary. Unwanted eggs from the breeding stock could be sold at a premium price to others who would like to improve their own lines. If he wants to sell table eggs in addition to establishing a breeding program, he would have stock specifically intended for that use.
There will always be someone who tries to pass them off as birds from the breeders good stock tho. I don't mind paying for eggs that have the potential to hatch good birds. I know I'm a skeptic about peoples intentions. With the waiting lists that a lot of good breeders have I doubt that they have too many extras for table eggs setting around. I'll probably never get to the point my eggs are sought after so this isn't a problem I foresee having now or in the future!
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Agreed. But the point I was trying to make was that the quality hatching eggs would not be sold as table eggs. A good breeder who wants to breed for quality is careful and deliberate. He will know exactly which rooster and hen produced which eggs. He will keep meticulous records and study the results - which means he will keep chicks into their adulthood and cull as necesary. Unwanted eggs from the breeding stock could be sold at a premium price to others who would like to improve their own lines. If he wants to sell table eggs in addition to establishing a breeding program, he would have stock specifically intended for that use.
I have a friend who sells Maran eggs for both hatching and eating. She doesn't have two seperate pens, one for hatching and one for eating, there are probably 20+ hens in a large pen covered by 3+ roosters. She gets $40 for hatching eggs and $1.50 for eating eggs. She's been working on her birds for about 35 years.
With 20+ hens, you're collecting a TON of eggs. You can only sale and ship the freshest, so eggs over a few days old are useless for hatching. The best time to sell hatching eggs are early in the season, but there isn't always a guaranteed market for hatching eggs.
She does very well with her birds. She's been working with them for quite a while.
I understand what you're saying about bettering the breed and all, but you also have to remember the money part of it. Quite a few breeders use the money from their sales to help pay the feed bill. If my freind were to seperate her prized roosters from the majority of her girls, the overall quality of the flock would deminish.
Breeder's work to create the highest quality bird for two reasons. One is to do well in the show ring and make themselves a name from the quality of their birds. How many times have you read stuff like "these birds came from 'so and sos' line", it's a pride thing. The second reason, you've put all that hard work into it, you almost monopolize it in a sense, so you can at least get monetary rewards for all your hard work($40 a dozen). By selling eggs cheap to other breeders, you loose control over the line very easily, and before you know it eggs you sold for $15 a dozen are now being bred by the new owner and the next generation of eggs are being sold for $30 a dozen. It's a power thing, I think.
-Kim
Agreed. But the point I was trying to make was that the quality hatching eggs would not be sold as table eggs. A good breeder who wants to breed for quality is careful and deliberate. He will know exactly which rooster and hen produced which eggs. He will keep meticulous records and study the results - which means he will keep chicks into their adulthood and cull as necesary. Unwanted eggs from the breeding stock could be sold at a premium price to others who would like to improve their own lines. If he wants to sell table eggs in addition to establishing a breeding program, he would have stock specifically intended for that use.
I have a friend who sells Maran eggs for both hatching and eating. She doesn't have two seperate pens, one for hatching and one for eating, there are probably 20+ hens in a large pen covered by 3+ roosters. She gets $40 for hatching eggs and $1.50 for eating eggs. She's been working on her birds for about 35 years.
With 20+ hens, you're collecting a TON of eggs. You can only sale and ship the freshest, so eggs over a few days old are useless for hatching. The best time to sell hatching eggs are early in the season, but there isn't always a guaranteed market for hatching eggs.
She does very well with her birds. She's been working with them for quite a while.
I understand what you're saying about bettering the breed and all, but you also have to remember the money part of it. Quite a few breeders use the money from their sales to help pay the feed bill. If my freind were to seperate her prized roosters from the majority of her girls, the overall quality of the flock would deminish.
Breeder's work to create the highest quality bird for two reasons. One is to do well in the show ring and make themselves a name from the quality of their birds. How many times have you read stuff like "these birds came from 'so and sos' line", it's a pride thing. The second reason, you've put all that hard work into it, you almost monopolize it in a sense, so you can at least get monetary rewards for all your hard work($40 a dozen). By selling eggs cheap to other breeders, you loose control over the line very easily, and before you know it eggs you sold for $15 a dozen are now being bred by the new owner and the next generation of eggs are being sold for $30 a dozen. It's a power thing, I think.
-Kim
Does your friend have a website? I am planning on raising Marans and am looking for good quality hatching eggs.
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Well. If you work hard on your Fowl to get perfect lines. I wouldn't sell them for few dollars a dozen AT LEAST 50. Thats what everyone else charges for show quality (or Perfect) Eggs. so why shouldn't i? but i just want to say. If you sell the eggs and dont want people to hatch them. Only sell them to people thats going to eat them. and if you sell them as "hatching eggs" and none hatches. Will ruin your rep bad. You'll be known as a scam artist..
Well. If you work hard on your Fowl to get perfect lines. I wouldn't sell them for few dollars a dozen AT LEAST 50. Thats what everyone else charges for show quality (or Perfect) Eggs. so why shouldn't i? but i just want to say. If you sell the eggs and dont want people to hatch them. Only sell them to people thats going to eat them. and if you sell them as "hatching eggs" and none hatches. Will ruin your rep bad. You'll be known as a scam artist..
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I am pretty sure she does not have a website. I will be talking with her tonight. I will ask her about you and if it's okay with her, I'll give you her email. She has beautiful eggs, I saw them in person just a couple weeks ago.
-Kim
I am pretty sure she does not have a website. I will be talking with her tonight. I will ask her about you and if it's okay with her, I'll give you her email. She has beautiful eggs, I saw them in person just a couple weeks ago.
-Kim
About the keeping the eggs cold, we just bought, and hatched 4 chicks from, fertile eggs that we bought from Safeway. They had obviously been refrigerated. So I don't think that that would do much for rendering them unhatchable.
I would do as others have suggested and keep a few hens that you don't want to use for breeding and keep them specifically for table eggs.
I would do as others have suggested and keep a few hens that you don't want to use for breeding and keep them specifically for table eggs.
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