I am so mad I could spit nails!

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I wish you lived here, J. I'd hire you in a minute to be my animal care taker and maybe occasional babysitter (do guys do that?
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I want my kids to be like you when they grow up, but I think I've told you that before.
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Thanks, Cindy. I really appreciate your nice comment.
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Its nice to hear stuff like that, Im just living life how I've been taught to. I blame the way I've grown up on my parents, they are the best. I'd come help you in a second! I've been known to be a babysitter, so Im sure I could handle it.
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Thank you! We, as parents, are given the rarest of gems in each child as a precious gift from Heaven! It's up to us to raise each child to be able to go and be productive in this world and to be able to make their way back to Heaven. Then we can hear Our Lord say "Job well done!" when He asks each of us why we raised each child the way we did.
 
Thankfully neither of mine were ever that way about the animals (we have had many over the years) but me personally...I would send that 18 year old the shock of his life...


I would tell him the following:

Dear son...I did not raise you to speak to me that way or to be such a HUGE A$$ and I will tolerate neither so here are your ONLY options.

1. Have your butt up at 7 am and read the newspaper I will rpovde for you. You will be looking for a job. You WILL find one. You will then pay your own way in this world and see exactly how it feels.

or

2. You are an adult enough to curse me and threaten my animals, you are 18 years old and therefore, legally, an adult. So as an adult....GET OUT of my house and be an adult because in my house you will always be my kid.

or

3. Straighten your A$$ up pronto and do what is expected of you while keeping your trap shut!

I would make the decision for him if he refused to choose an option. I would pack for him and toss him and his crap outide to a garage, a shed or the curb.

My son at age 16 years old decided to tell me he was not a kid and therefore, could do as he pleased. That lasted about 2 minutes before I convinced him he was indeed a kid.
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He said he never saw his things packed so fast in his life. I just sat them outside the front door and said choose....my rules or yours. Mine are in this house with all the bills paid and you taken care of. Yours are outside without a pot to pi$$ in...which do you choose?
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I am such a mean mom but I was a single mother for 12 of his 16 years, I am 5'2" and he was 6'3" at 16, so I had to be tough on him.

My new signature shall read "Cetawin, the meanest mommie in the world"

on a side note: had my son spoke to me that way my DH would have kicked his butt across the house and back. What does your DH say about all of this?
 
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I love it! Im in the process if lookin for a job myself, and I am putting in an application at the local Wildlife Care Center to help them out. Its just to be a volunteer, so no pay, but it will help me out in the long run, Im sure. They just had an add in the paper saying they have tons of baby birds they need help with, and I figured I'd try to help out as much as possible. I got a job at the age of 16, I was actually 15 when I got the job but I turned 16 a couple days later, and I've had another job since then that I recently lost, but I feel better when Im able to help out around the house. I love how you have everything set up though, it looks like it works great.

Thank you! I think the hardest part are the phases, but my oldest grew up a little while away at college, and my 17 yr old daughter actually moved out for 5 months to live with the other Grandma and baby's daddy- she's told me that she likes living at home better because he expected her to be at work or with the baby all the time while he got to get away for a while. The day she moved back, she was looking for a job/next day went to work. Baby stayed with other Grandma and her daddy, or Great Grandma, or me, until my daughter found daycare for baby. My daughter/grandgirl both stay at home. She visits her daddy/Grandma/GreatGrandma every wkend.
My 16 yr old and on down aren't allowed to watch their neice unsupervised if we are gone for more than a 1/2 hour as they do not know baby CPR yet. They've got to get certified before we move.
 
My new signature shall read "Cetawin, the meanest mommie in the world"

If expecting respect and kids to mature is "mean". May all parents be mean. Parents that do not demand respect and growth are what's ruining this country.

Better watch out as I'm considered abusive because I would make an out of control child miss a meal, kicking out a 16 year w/no food or housing, what would that make you?

For those that admitted they were out of control as teens, if your parents had said, you have to make your own food, don't have to clean, can cuss us out, etc; would you have changed your patterns?
 
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I was taught that the animals got fed first. I'm embarrassed to admit that I did have to leave the dinner table to feed the animals, but only once! I was about 13 at the time.

My mother and father both would have smacked me upside the head if I would've even thought of cursing out my mother. My siblings would've all jumped in for a smack at me too!

Good luck with your strike! Stick to it!
 
continue on with your strike i think its the wisest way to go.you'd be surprised how courteous boys can be when they want something you have , like a homemade meal clean clothes and such. Their girlfriends might not appreciate them all smelly.I used to run an indoor paintball field and i would have kids come in with their moms telling me yes mam and thank you mam and their mother's were baffled. it was easy if they weren't respecting me they weren't playing.Some of these kids were in gangs but they wanted something that i had.If you treat me with respect you get treated the same way. Gave some of them jobs.

When my daughter was a pre-teen she had a nasty habit of slamming her bedroom door when she was mad at DH or I. One night DH had enough
he took the door off the hinges. She was appalled at her lack of privacy.He put it back up one year later. But she is 26 and has never slammed a door since.
Reinbeau i definitely would not want to be going to brockton,lol its a pit
Hell i won't even drive through it.

I used to be a yeller and a screamer. When my daughter was about 7 my bff witnessed one of my tirades. She asked me if i kept screaming did i think by the time my daughter was 15 she would be listening any longer.
Best advice as a parent i have ever gotten.

I know this is long but one more thing my daughter came to me at 15 and asked if i would buy her a pair of 70 jeans that "everyone" was wearing. I told her if they were that important she should get a job, and buy them hersellf. She got up early the next morning asked me to take her to the mall where she filled out applications and had a job the next day.She bought her jeans 3 weeks later. I shopped at K-mart all her friends had clothes and sneakers from the shops at the mall.

DH is a union organizer and he thinks you should have an informational pickets stating your demands.
respect, clean up after yourselves. chores are requirement not an option ect.
 
we tried watching the Bill Engvall(sp) show last night for the first time. I like his comedy so thought "Hey, this should be good"

Half way through the show I wanted to slap every character.

The kids were all old enough to be doing chores.
Washing their own clothes, making their own lunches for school. etc etc.
And the mom!?! WTH? made $300 in something like 45 minutes selling muffins and then decided it was too much work when the building manager offered her store fronts in three of his buildings.
If they are THAT good and people are buying them HIRE SOME HELP since your kids are too lazy and self centered to help you.
But no. quit. Argghhhhh.

We deleted the second episode and then deleted the season pass off TiVo.

I was taught respect for everyone and everything. My daughter is being taught the same. I have no patience for kids and people with no respect or manners.

Your 18 year old would be gone from my home. Would have come home to find his things on the front lawn and the locks on the doors changed. That type of attitude doesnt fly in my family.
 
Actually, I second McGoo's suggestion to get professional advice. If nothing, NOTHING that you know how to do is working, then maybe a pro will have some techniques that would be appropriate for an older teen. No, not the cheesy parenting classes where they tell you to train a kid like you'd train a dog--that only works for very small children who aren't too bright. Talk to someone who is specifically experienced in dealing with troubled teenagers. At 18 and 16, could be rather late in the game, though--it's pretty hard to change attitudes and behaviors when they've been ingrained for so long. And then in the event that Child & Family Services gets an unpleasant phone call, you have the pshrink backing you up.

For those that admitted they were out of control as teens, if your parents had said, you have to make your own food, don't have to clean, can cuss us out, etc; would you have changed your patterns?

Since you asked...I did have to make my own food, earn my own money, buy my own clothes, do my own laundry, etc. from age 15-18. I moved out sorta-kinda (lived with friends and boyfriends off-and-on) at 17, permanently at 18. And I still cussed out my mother when we fought, and we fought incessantly. She could say nothing right to me, I could say nothing right to her, and that was that--honestly, I don't think she really wanted to be a parent in the first place, and probably should not have had children. We have completely opposite personalities, even as adults.

But WRT behavioral issues such as being just basically civil, my mother went the "professional help" route and shipped me off to an all-girls' boarding school. Their punishments were, as you say, non-negotiable and simple: getting up at 7am on a Saturday to do homework, having to schedule extra classes during periods when good kids got free time, having "town visiting" and entertainment privileges (trips to the mall, dances with all-boys' schools, etc.) revoked. They worked because they were simple and consistent. They told you exactly what you were expected to do, in no uncertain terms, and if you did it all was peaceful in the world, and if you were bad you would be up at 7am in uniform, working on extra geometry problems.

I think it really does help to know where your parenting skills end and when it's time to call in the pros. I really do. I watched my father-in-law struggle endlessly, taking years off his life, trying to parent his out-of-control and wily step-daughter. I told him to consult a pro or send her to boarding school, he got mad and did the "how dare you tell me how to parent my kid!" act. Sure enough, as a teenager she was pregnant twice, used drugs, drank, stole from her parents, made a general nuisance of herself and the nicest thing I can say about her today is, "at least she managed to hold on to her job at Taco Bell." She's not a good kid. And now she is far too old to get her mouth washed out with soap, so she's stuck that way.

Your mileage may vary and all that.​
 
WOW, If I had ever spoken to my Mom that way she would have killed me on the spot, then my Dad would have killed me again just to sure I was dead, but seriuosly there would have been major trouble. I'm 42 years old and have yet to utter a curse word in front of my Mother out of respect for her and my Dad.

For whatever reason it appears your sons never learned to respect you and sadly they probably never will, at ages 16 and 18 its more than likely to late.

Put the 18 year old out of the house, and let the 16 year know he is only there until he is 18 unless he gets his act together.

Best wishes,

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