I An Idea For All of You, do you agree (concerns My Genetics Opinion)

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I disagree with the OP for a number of reasons. First, if someone is interested in the breeds that are in decline, they will work with them. It is no ones responsibility to take on a project that they have not chosen for themself. I certainly agree that reviving a breed whose numbers and popularity are in decline can be a worthy goal. But do consider why it is in decline--for some reason breeders and exhibitors and those who just keep chickens have lost interest. Perhaps it is a breed more susceptible to disease? Or less productive? Or not as tame? Or... As was mentioned, many of these breeds were deliberately crossed and created at some point in the past. In a number of cases, not even that far in the past.

If someone wants to breed a green and purple polka dotted bird with barred tail feathers and a crest, why is it anyone's business to tell them that they cannot or should not do that with their own birds? If they obtain their goal, FANTASTIC! And if they do not, what has it really hurt anyone or anything?

None of the better known breeders who work on projects arrived at that level of distinction overnight. They did it by choosing to pursue an interest or dream one step at a time, receiving recognition along with their accomplishments. A few were born to families that kept chickens, growing into the knowledge; others came to it later in life: as a teenager, a young adult, or even as a retiree.


As for helping chicks out of the shell, perhaps if you were talking about chicks brooded under a hen it might make some sense, but most chicks that are helped out of shells are hatched in an incubator under artificial conditions. Is it the chick's genetic issue that prevents it from hatching when incubator humidity or temperature is too high or low? Low temperature causes the chick to hatch late; high temps cause it to hatch early. Either of these can cause hatching issues. Likewise, humidity that is too low makes it very difficult for the chick to break through the membrane. High humidty makes for chicks who are initially weaker.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, are you serious?
I do appreciate your concerns, but HAHAHAHA!
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Lisa

What she said.. exactly.
 
Sometimes I help at hatch, to get numbers up in the beginning. After that it's each chick on its own to get itself hatched next generation. Plus, I suck at incubating, so i cause some of their problems, so I help. After hatch, I am pretty quick to cull if they dont look right the next day or so. Under a broody, they are on their own.

Projects, what is the harm? In the end, they all either lay eggs, or "taste like chicken" when all is said and done. No matter what color shanks, eyes, plumage. Silkied, barred, four or five toes. No one is counting once they are in the pot. The almighty dollar will decide what project lives or flounders, not another man's opinion. Sooner or later, someone breeding down a non-productive road will quit when he feels it is pointless, or could be bought elsewhere for less. Or some predator wipes him out, or the city says get rid of your birds and it all becomes a moot point anyhow. Let 'em have their fun.
Anyone know here what was hinkjc's credentials when they started breeding chickens? Care to share? Almost all of the top breeders of all time of any kind of animal, were self taught. I suspect they were too.

Mille Fleur cochins... I agree that now that they are more people trying, there are more people screwing up, by my standards, but who cares? They love their birds, and are having fun and taking the best care they can and learning a LOT in the process. Five (I mean ten, yeah, or maybe even fifteen) years from now, hopefully there will be some decent quality MFC in this country, and they will hold their value. The ones that look like crossbred junk will sell like crossbred junk. Last I checked, this was America, land or the more or less free, to a degree I mean, LOL.
 
I had already left my office and went inside and was about to get in bed when I thought about what I posted here.
I maybe did not post as to where I made myself 100% clear.
As far as the helping hatch and I have done it many, many times, BUT I am talking about helping chicks that
have at least started to zip and maybe was not able to get all the way zipped. You know say the membrane got
a little Dry or something along that order. I am not talking about helping chicks hatch that have not at least started
the hatching process.
And on the "professionals" part of my post just wanted to say that by no means was I directing that statement
towards hinkjc or any other person here on BYC for that matter.
 
There's nothing wrong with crossbreeding whatsoever. I'll bet you ten to one most mutts are healthier than purebreds. We have to keep in mind the role inbreeding played in developing the breeds we enjoy today. I'm not against purebreds--I love my Welsummer, Plymouth Rock, and Andalusian--but I often think about how different they must be from the wild jungle fowl they descended from. I'd guess jungle fowl are ten times as crafty as my hens (despite the fact that they surprise me with their wits on a daily basis) because they haven't had their intelligence and survival instinct bred out of them in favor egg and/or meat production. I say deepen the gene-pool, make a better chicken.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, are you serious?
I do appreciate your concerns, but HAHAHAHA!
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Lisa

What she said.. exactly.

I totally agree with this as well!!!
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