Honestly this is not meant to be pissy, just a reminder that at times, unless you know the person personally, they have told you straight up who they bought from or how long they have been breeding that color or variety an how they bred it. It is probably best not to say anything at all. Neither Suze or Chris have ever been in my coop or a close friend.
So what you know is only what you think you know, lol
And Chris I was very upset to hear about the dismantle of your flock you worked so hard on, I do know what its like to try to hold onto them through life changes. I hope to see you at a show again.
The black program is the big shocker, everyone seems to think they all came from George, honestly I owned blacks from Myron Turk, Glenn See, and Eddy Travers before I bought from George! I also used to own Hattrick in the first two years, lol
The blacks from George did not line breed, so I do not have a black on my place that does not have multiple lines in them now. My first year breeding came from one hen from Myron Turk, the girls from George did not lay until year two thank you very much, they were too fat.
What most people do not know is my pullets from Myron Turk won just as many awards as the ones from George. Two years ago I borrowed birds to breed into the program from Barb, who has birds from a number of sources. And the year before that I used a Glenn See/Hattrick/Turk cock I bought back from someone here in MN. This year I have my own males working the pens and chicks are hatching. Another 2 years of breeding and the blacks will be my line.
As most ABA/APA breeders do not call you a real breeder unless you combine lines to create your own for at least 5 years. Line breeding someone else's work is not your own line.
My white program is in year 10 and has been a very long road. The original birds that I put with starting that program came from Royal in CA and Eddy Travers cock. Than I added in 8 Shorty P birds to the flock. Over the last five years I bought 4 Don Jones birds and 4 from George M. to breed into the flock. All the original breeders where sold on eggbid and are scattered across the country.
The whites in my program now are birds I bred or came back to me from my line. Thanks Amy for the wonderful pullet at the New Ulm show!
And remember, at times I exchanged birds and eggs with George, so he has some of my line in his, ROFL
That is the fun of breeding, showing, seeing friends and exhanging birds an talking poultry.
Hands down I love every bird from George, but the other birds I bought from breeders have just as good qualities or I would not have used them.
Have a super day, it is snowing like heck here and I need to get some chores done.
Connie
