I let my Bob whites go

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I think that you are being educated not attacked, and we never said you didn't have the best intentions, but can you admit that it was irisponsible to do that without research? I think some of us were harsher than others, but then again, you called us asses in a sneaky way...
 
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I disagree; if anyone else who's thinking of releasing their birds sees this, and sees how many people strongly disagree with it, and why, they might do something more humane than dumping their domesticated birds into the wild to be picked off by predators. Like humanely killing them for food.
Do you have any idea what predators do with their prey? Some of them will start to eat their prey alive. Feral cats are especially bad about this, and about playing with prey items when they aren't hungry. Any of those quail that are caught by a predator are going to die a violent death, which is very unlikely to be as quick as a proper dispatching done by a human, and that additional suffering is on you.
Who was this meant to benefit? It's not a benefit to the birds, which are now going to have a much harder life and a much more violent death. It's not a benefit to you, who's now broken the law and messed with the local ecosystem. It's not a benefit to the ecosystem, which did not need and will not benefit from the introduction of domesticated genes. The ecosystem needs smart quail, raised properly, with no human contact. Not this. You know who you've benefited? The feral cats who just got lots of new bird toys. And they don't need anyone benefiting them! They're an invasive species!
What you've done is the equivalent of releasing domestic ducks into a pond and saying "hey, there used to be wild ducks here, this is good. Some of them aren't dead!" to justify yourself.
This was cruel, it was illegal, it was unnecessary by any and all sensible definitions, and it is made worse by the fact that you don't seem to grasp any of that.
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Its not Illegal to free range your own birds on your own land. I still supply feed for them.
 
Buttonquail the point of engaging someone who is stubborn and harmful is almost never to change their minds. If someone is inclined to do something horrible and ignorant they almost never change their minds - this guy certainly hasn't. He thinks releasing invasive domestic species uncontained and illegally in a place where they can spread (and have spread to the point that his neighbors have seen them) is a good thing and the people who oppose him are asses who murder birds ad nauseum.

The point of engaging someone is to remind OTHER people that their terrible actions have consequences. Being a jerk, insulting the people educating him, strawmanning (Oh I guess because I shouldn't do illegal things you just wanna KILL ALL BIRDS HUH!?), breaking the law, damaging the ecosystem, and self-victimizing (I broke the law and did something bad but you're the bad one for calling me out for it), all these things just make him look like more of a jerk and remind other people to not be That Guy. And if that's not enough there's also the social ostracization and legal issues that were laid out that should make other people think twice before doing the same thing. (Certainly I don't feel like I can trust this persons thoughts on quail keeping and animal husbandry.) And people who are responsible keepers get a chance to look and say 'Oh yeah, I feel community support for being responsible and not a big jerk'.

Online public arguments rarely result in the education of the offender - they never wanted to be educated they wanted to be right and get attention. He said it himself that he wanted a pat on the head because they paired off to reproduce. It's usually for the onlookers. Hopefully other people will see how messed up this guys actions are and how big the consequences are and not repeat them.
 
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