before they go in that small room. Dress them up as a big chicken
I REALIZE THIS IS A POULTRY SITE BUT!
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I have a problem with irresponsible owners also. I live on a reservation, and some of the natives are not very careful to care for properly, or even feed their dogs. Spay/neuter is totally ignored. These dogs roam about the country in large packs, and kill sheep, cattle, deer, and many other things indiscriminately. Since there is no humane society closer than 80 miles, and animal control is nonexistent in our county, we are forced to control these dogs in our own way.
The emergence of meth has spawned a culture of people who tie up some extremely mean Rottweilers or Pitbulls around their houses for "guard dogs". When they get done cooking their meth, they will leave for up to a month, and the dogs invariably get loose eventually. Then the real fun starts. These dogs are hungry, and have been mistreated from their birth in order to make them mean.
These dogs have pups year round, and many of them eventually interbreed with coyotes.
It's not the dogs, it's the irresponsible people. And---there is nothing that can be done about it. These people get caught with meth or whatever, and get sentenced to a couple years. The taxpayers wind up giving them medical care, fixing their teeth, and spending countless $ on "rehabilitation". They get released and within hours, they are cooking another batch of meth.
Our county recently built a new, modern jail. I know of some people who have been sentenced to a couple days of jail time for DUI or whatever. they have a terrible time trying to schedule a time so that they can serve out their sentence. The new jail is so full that people actually have to make appointments up to six months in advance in order to go to jail. A county near us has over 5000 outstanding warrants waiting to be served, and the meth is rampant there also.
Like I said, it's not the dog's fault, it's the people.
Sorry about this rant, but I needed to get this off my chest.
The emergence of meth has spawned a culture of people who tie up some extremely mean Rottweilers or Pitbulls around their houses for "guard dogs". When they get done cooking their meth, they will leave for up to a month, and the dogs invariably get loose eventually. Then the real fun starts. These dogs are hungry, and have been mistreated from their birth in order to make them mean.
These dogs have pups year round, and many of them eventually interbreed with coyotes.
It's not the dogs, it's the irresponsible people. And---there is nothing that can be done about it. These people get caught with meth or whatever, and get sentenced to a couple years. The taxpayers wind up giving them medical care, fixing their teeth, and spending countless $ on "rehabilitation". They get released and within hours, they are cooking another batch of meth.
Our county recently built a new, modern jail. I know of some people who have been sentenced to a couple days of jail time for DUI or whatever. they have a terrible time trying to schedule a time so that they can serve out their sentence. The new jail is so full that people actually have to make appointments up to six months in advance in order to go to jail. A county near us has over 5000 outstanding warrants waiting to be served, and the meth is rampant there also.
Like I said, it's not the dog's fault, it's the people.
Sorry about this rant, but I needed to get this off my chest.
My Grayhound killed one of my RIR awhile ago... We took the dead chicken and smacked the dog and poke the crap out of him with its beak ( yah thats kinda mean but ..)...he never touched my chickens again, they became pretty good friends actually! lol. I think we humans have the most control over anything, just depends how we handle it :X.
I truly believe not that dogs are not all vicious.. the ones that are, they are doing it for a reason ( neglect, abuse, protectiveness etc) and most can be trained or rehabilitated unless the dog have a real medical mental issue that caused it to become the way it is ( then the dog should have supervision and medical attention.) The owner has the responsibility to train their dogs NOT to kill wild animals , kill chickens etc as well as keeping it locked up at least to stay in their own yard, and even build a fence between neighbors. People say once dog start killing chickens, they always will.. but that is not true, I trained all my dogs to protect the chickens (even after the killing incident) , its really not hard, just take patients and time.
Dogs are domesticated period, they are basically forever puppies. Stray "wild" dogs can be trained to do the same things family dogs can, also can be just as friendly.
I majored in ethology and my colleague and I have seen ALOT of misconception and confusion about behavior, instinct, animal communication. The relationship between dog and wolf have been so disconnected that Dogs are sometimes ... are made meals by wolves. They split off from their wolf cousins about 135,000 years ago. Sadly if domesticated dogs are put in the wild and they are not breed to hunt, then its hard for them to learn to hunt to eat wild animals, Most dogs will just forage... Theres really no such thing as undomesticated dogs, at least not that I know or heard of. so conclusion... blame the owners not the dogs
sorry that this is so long, I just hate to see innocent dogs get put down. Also...spay and neuter your dog pets unless you breed them. They DO live longer, and it DOES change their temperaments... They DO become less "vicious" also they are much easier to train because of lol less "distractions."
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I truly believe not that dogs are not all vicious.. the ones that are, they are doing it for a reason ( neglect, abuse, protectiveness etc) and most can be trained or rehabilitated unless the dog have a real medical mental issue that caused it to become the way it is ( then the dog should have supervision and medical attention.) The owner has the responsibility to train their dogs NOT to kill wild animals , kill chickens etc as well as keeping it locked up at least to stay in their own yard, and even build a fence between neighbors. People say once dog start killing chickens, they always will.. but that is not true, I trained all my dogs to protect the chickens (even after the killing incident) , its really not hard, just take patients and time.
Dogs are domesticated period, they are basically forever puppies. Stray "wild" dogs can be trained to do the same things family dogs can, also can be just as friendly.
sorry that this is so long, I just hate to see innocent dogs get put down. Also...spay and neuter your dog pets unless you breed them. They DO live longer, and it DOES change their temperaments... They DO become less "vicious" also they are much easier to train because of lol less "distractions."
edit because i'm so tired and I have horrible grammer...
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I think an important consideration is that the dogs in question, according to the first post on this issue, also killed another small dog while it was in its own yard, and also attacked other dogs in their yards.
Now they escape, tear into a coop and kill a whole lot of chickens.
Ridgebacks were dogs used to hunt and kill lions as a pack (what these two dogs are doing with smaller animals now), and as a breed need to have stong, thorough obedience training and owners who are able to show leadership. They are dogs that do need extensive excercise daily, too.
Yes, the problem is in the owners who do not pick dogs they intend to properly train. They chose the wrong dog for their own lifestyle. But now that the dogs have killed other small animals, depending on their ages and temperments, it will be much more difficult for them to be trained NOT to kill other animals.
Dogs that are inclined to attack weaker animals will quite often begin attacking young children or weaker adults too. Not always, certainly (many of us have dogs that have attacked gophers or squirrels or skunks etc) but these dogs are now going beyond just going after animals wondering around their property. They are purposefully leaving their territory and attacking other domestic animals. Once dogs begin 'hunting' other animals with the intent of killing them, it is very difficult to break them of that. They do get that sense of thrill at killing and of tasting blood. They are animals, after all, and pack hunting-to-kill is what Ridgebacks were bred for.
I am a dog lover. I grew up, quite literally, in petstores, as my mother was a dog groomer. I had aunts and uncles who bred dobermans and Brittany spaniels. We have three knucklehead mutts that we love very much.
I also understand that sometimes neglecting an animal's training in teaching it to be 'civil' to other animals when it is young can mean a dog that isn't able to be rehabilitated years later.
It IS entirely the owner's fault and they ought to not only make financial restitution, but also be fined up their ying-yangs for their irresponsibility. But putting the dogs down may be, infact, a mercy --- to the next victim.
EDIT: I posted this before reading the post above it. I agree that some dogs can be rehabilitated, but it does take a special kind of trainer for that, and these dogs should not be left with these idiot owners. I will guess that law enforcement will insist that they be put down simply because this is not the first time these dogs have killed other domestic animals and would not want to risk it happening again.
Now they escape, tear into a coop and kill a whole lot of chickens.
Ridgebacks were dogs used to hunt and kill lions as a pack (what these two dogs are doing with smaller animals now), and as a breed need to have stong, thorough obedience training and owners who are able to show leadership. They are dogs that do need extensive excercise daily, too.
Yes, the problem is in the owners who do not pick dogs they intend to properly train. They chose the wrong dog for their own lifestyle. But now that the dogs have killed other small animals, depending on their ages and temperments, it will be much more difficult for them to be trained NOT to kill other animals.
Dogs that are inclined to attack weaker animals will quite often begin attacking young children or weaker adults too. Not always, certainly (many of us have dogs that have attacked gophers or squirrels or skunks etc) but these dogs are now going beyond just going after animals wondering around their property. They are purposefully leaving their territory and attacking other domestic animals. Once dogs begin 'hunting' other animals with the intent of killing them, it is very difficult to break them of that. They do get that sense of thrill at killing and of tasting blood. They are animals, after all, and pack hunting-to-kill is what Ridgebacks were bred for.
I am a dog lover. I grew up, quite literally, in petstores, as my mother was a dog groomer. I had aunts and uncles who bred dobermans and Brittany spaniels. We have three knucklehead mutts that we love very much.
I also understand that sometimes neglecting an animal's training in teaching it to be 'civil' to other animals when it is young can mean a dog that isn't able to be rehabilitated years later.
It IS entirely the owner's fault and they ought to not only make financial restitution, but also be fined up their ying-yangs for their irresponsibility. But putting the dogs down may be, infact, a mercy --- to the next victim.
EDIT: I posted this before reading the post above it. I agree that some dogs can be rehabilitated, but it does take a special kind of trainer for that, and these dogs should not be left with these idiot owners. I will guess that law enforcement will insist that they be put down simply because this is not the first time these dogs have killed other domestic animals and would not want to risk it happening again.
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Well, what some of you city folk dont understand is that, to a lot of us, this is our life. We make our livin from our stock, and I aint about to let some animal eat all my stock while I set back and watch with my hands in my pockets and say "Oh, thats just there huntin insticts." Insticts or not, it's my animals and my livelyhood there killin. If its someone's pet, I'll take it to 'em and warn 'em. If it aint a pet or it comes back for another easy meal, then I'll shoot. Do ya know how many chickens, cattle, sheep, etc. I've lost to 'yotes, bobbies, and the like? Come take a walk in my (or another rancher's) shoes, you'd change your tune real quick; or you'd lose all your animals, and then you'd lose everything else ya had because without your stock, you'd have no money... But hey, look on the bright side, at least the coyotes and the neighbor's pit bull aint hungry no more!
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Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
I don't know....aggression is aggression and should be really watched. I am watching my dear, sweet Lucy Lou right now as she is showing some signs of never-before-seen aggression towards other dogs and the cat, with little consistency in her actions. Very territorial now to any dogs that come in the yard, having more fights with her bunk mate, Jake, etc.
She used to be a therapy dog at the nursing home but I would never risk that right now....these overt signs of aggression are a cause for concern. Oh, she is still the big, loveable teddy bear towards humans...but, she USED to be that way to all other animals also. At the very first sign of aggression towards a human, she will be put down. I love her dearly, but I love her too much to see her become a danger to others. I say, when an animal shows aggression where they didn't before...this is always a cause for concern.
Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
I don't know....aggression is aggression and should be really watched. I am watching my dear, sweet Lucy Lou right now as she is showing some signs of never-before-seen aggression towards other dogs and the cat, with little consistency in her actions. Very territorial now to any dogs that come in the yard, having more fights with her bunk mate, Jake, etc.
She used to be a therapy dog at the nursing home but I would never risk that right now....these overt signs of aggression are a cause for concern. Oh, she is still the big, loveable teddy bear towards humans...but, she USED to be that way to all other animals also. At the very first sign of aggression towards a human, she will be put down. I love her dearly, but I love her too much to see her become a danger to others. I say, when an animal shows aggression where they didn't before...this is always a cause for concern.
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Its easy to change that, you cannot let her act out at all. As soon as she shows aggression you have to stand strong and even have to smack her. Even if she gives a dog, a human "THE LOOK" you have to say NO BAD and give a quick slap. In that instant it will break her concentration and will prevent her from acting out. If you can do this enough then she will understand and she will not lash out to anything. If shes being territorial you need to give her basic training, shes not the boss of the yard YOU are. so if other dogs come over, you can try bringing her out on a leash and make her sit..if she stares at the dog yank the lease and say NO, until she is submissive and is looking elsewhere. If shes being mean to her bunkmate then you do the same thing. It helps to keep a short lease on her at all times for better control. Also its important that you show no sign of fear. As in fear of her biting another dog, animal etc. Its important that you have that GRAWRREE with you lol.
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also the more you let her be mean to other animals, the more she will be...she wont get better on her own...she thinks your okay with it..so she does it.
Its easy to change that, you cannot let her act out at all. As soon as she shows aggression you have to stand strong and even have to smack her. Even if she gives a dog, a human "THE LOOK" you have to say NO BAD and give a quick slap. In that instant it will break her concentration and will prevent her from acting out. If you can do this enough then she will understand and she will not lash out to anything. If shes being territorial you need to give her basic training, shes not the boss of the yard YOU are. so if other dogs come over, you can try bringing her out on a leash and make her sit..if she stares at the dog yank the lease and say NO, until she is submissive and is looking elsewhere. If shes being mean to her bunkmate then you do the same thing. It helps to keep a short lease on her at all times for better control. Also its important that you show no sign of fear. As in fear of her biting another dog, animal etc. Its important that you have that GRAWRREE with you lol.
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also the more you let her be mean to other animals, the more she will be...she wont get better on her own...she thinks your okay with it..so she does it.
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Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
I don't know....aggression is aggression and should be really watched. I am watching my dear, sweet Lucy Lou right now as she is showing some signs of never-before-seen aggression towards other dogs and the cat, with little consistency in her actions. Very territorial now to any dogs that come in the yard, having more fights with her bunk mate, Jake, etc.
She used to be a therapy dog at the nursing home but I would never risk that right now....these overt signs of aggression are a cause for concern. Oh, she is still the big, loveable teddy bear towards humans...but, she USED to be that way to all other animals also. At the very first sign of aggression towards a human, she will be put down. I love her dearly, but I love her too much to see her become a danger to others. I say, when an animal shows aggression where they didn't before...this is always a cause for concern.
Right beeKissed..i understand what you mean in that aspect!....that does seem very strange...to get so agressive like that..how old is the dog?....i wonder if something medical is going on with her?...
...and i agree 100% with you!..you always have to watch them...espically with your dog with the change in her aggression...i'd be very worried also..best of luck with her! Wendy
Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
I don't know....aggression is aggression and should be really watched. I am watching my dear, sweet Lucy Lou right now as she is showing some signs of never-before-seen aggression towards other dogs and the cat, with little consistency in her actions. Very territorial now to any dogs that come in the yard, having more fights with her bunk mate, Jake, etc.
She used to be a therapy dog at the nursing home but I would never risk that right now....these overt signs of aggression are a cause for concern. Oh, she is still the big, loveable teddy bear towards humans...but, she USED to be that way to all other animals also. At the very first sign of aggression towards a human, she will be put down. I love her dearly, but I love her too much to see her become a danger to others. I say, when an animal shows aggression where they didn't before...this is always a cause for concern.
Right beeKissed..i understand what you mean in that aspect!....that does seem very strange...to get so agressive like that..how old is the dog?....i wonder if something medical is going on with her?...
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Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
Dog will start with chickens, small live stock, And then a small child.
Killer dogs have no place anywhere. Yes chickens are raised for food, dog have been and still are raised for food.
So what makes a dog a better pet than a chicken.
Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
Dog will start with chickens, small live stock, And then a small child.
Killer dogs have no place anywhere. Yes chickens are raised for food, dog have been and still are raised for food.
So what makes a dog a better pet than a chicken.
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Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
Dog will start with chickens, small live stock, And then a small child.
Killer dogs have no place anywhere. Yes chickens are raised for food, dog have been and still are raised for food.
So what makes a dog a better pet than a chicken.
deerman..i'm sorry, but that is just simply not true..just because a dog kills a chicken does not mean it WILL definatley attack a child..that just dosent make any sense...i mean it COULD happen..(i dont know anything about these specific dogs)....but, how many peoples dogs have killed a small rodent..or something?...that does NOT turn it into a baby killer.....i'm sorry..it just does not...i will say it again....i have a Great Dane that was raised around 6 children..they could do ANYTHING with him...he was a horse, he was a pillow..and he loved it, he loved them!....... but when he sees my chickens..he kinda acts like if he could get them he would want chase them(they look like fun to him...a game..) and if he got to chasing them..i can just bet a few would get hurt/killed..would he bite/eat one?..i really dont know (and hope to never find out)..i do know that he would trample them..(he's a big clutz!)....but it IS IN their instinct to chase smaller animals....children are not chickens....the dogs do know this...even if the chickens are OUR children..
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Hi..i am not trying to argue with you..but....just because a dog attacks another animal does not mean it will ever attack a human...unless there has been aggression shown from these dogs to a human in the past..they are probably just being dogs...if one of my dogs got out in the yard when the birds were out.....well, i'd have some dead birds....will my dogs attack me?...highly unlikely...(you can NEVER say never though..), because my dogs respect humans, but ....they would love to chase and kill any small flighty, squawking thing running around...its just their nature...
Dog will start with chickens, small live stock, And then a small child.
Killer dogs have no place anywhere. Yes chickens are raised for food, dog have been and still are raised for food.
So what makes a dog a better pet than a chicken.
deerman..i'm sorry, but that is just simply not true..just because a dog kills a chicken does not mean it WILL definatley attack a child..that just dosent make any sense...i mean it COULD happen..(i dont know anything about these specific dogs)....but, how many peoples dogs have killed a small rodent..or something?...that does NOT turn it into a baby killer.....i'm sorry..it just does not...i will say it again....i have a Great Dane that was raised around 6 children..they could do ANYTHING with him...he was a horse, he was a pillow..and he loved it, he loved them!....... but when he sees my chickens..he kinda acts like if he could get them he would want chase them(they look like fun to him...a game..) and if he got to chasing them..i can just bet a few would get hurt/killed..would he bite/eat one?..i really dont know (and hope to never find out)..i do know that he would trample them..(he's a big clutz!)....but it IS IN their instinct to chase smaller animals....children are not chickens....the dogs do know this...even if the chickens are OUR children..
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