"If global warming is CO based, should be trying to stop volcanoes..."

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I believe that if we start using energy produced in a way that doesn't emit green house effect gases, if we stop deforesting and start planting more trees than very probably there would be a significant change. But I admit it's very hard to make people do this, since many of this things would make them loose some life quality and nobody (in developed countries, but specially in U.S.) accepts that (only when consequences are felt in their yard there will be some sort of effort to change, by now most of the problems resulting from environmental irresponsibility are being felt in Africa, so, sadly "nobody cares").

USA does more planting than chopping. 1 tree equal 3 more planted.

That's fair, but sadly that doesn't account for the trees cut by US companies in Amazonia per example. That would be a fair comparison if you said by 1 CONSUMED tree 3 are PLANTED, although I know that is hard to keep record of, so let me explain what I mean by saying what I said.
Per example, US has only 5 percent of the world's population, but United States citizens consume 28 percent of earth's nonrenewable resources, and drive more than one-third of earths auto-mobiles. How do you think US citizens react if there was a governmental order that limited the Oil consumption per person to (Number of extracted barrels in the world/number of people in the world), I think that riots would be inevitable. So, that's why I said, people maybe worried about earth future as long as they don't need to loose life quality. Of course in the places where they live bellow their share there is no need to loose life quality, so that's why I said "but specially in U.S.".
 
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That is true, but it can be see the other way around to. There are many business that also get a profit from discredit green house effect, and other environmental problems, isn't it?

Those businesses were already in place- they're called Oil Companies, Recyclers and Auto Manufacturers.
So-called "global warming" has been shot full of so many holes, they had to start calling it "climate change".
Everyone can sit here and post links to bolster their theories and the links are no better than what the person's opinion are who wrote them. The internet, wikipedia and what have you are not Gospel and every source of information is completely manipulated to assist your arrival to the author's conclusion.
A little common sense is in order regarding global warming. Just the fact it has been spun and repackaged over the past two years should tell you it's pure charlatainism.
 
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That is true, but it can be see the other way around to. There are many business that also get a profit from discredit green house effect, and other environmental problems, isn't it?

Those businesses were already in place- they're called Oil Companies, Recyclers and Auto Manufacturers.
So-called "global warming" has been shot full of so many holes, they had to start calling it "climate change".
Everyone can sit here and post links to bolster their theories and the links are no better than what the person's opinion are who wrote them. The internet, wikipedia and what have you are not Gospel and every source of information is completely manipulated to assist your arrival to the author's conclusion.
A little common sense is in order regarding global warming. Just the fact it has been spun and repackaged over the past two years should tell you it's pure charlatainism.

You're right, they're not gospel. Unlike gospel, there is evidence supporting it.
 
Any time that politicians and research "scientists" are connected at the hip, you can bet agenda they present, is not the agenda they are after.
Take away all those research grants, make them earn their own money: car washes, bake sales, standing on the street corner, with a bucket, and all of this handwringing nonsense would just disappear.

You ever try to grow a garden in the dead of winter or at 10.000 ft. elevation?
 
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That is true, but it can be see the other way around to. There are many business that also get a profit from discredit green house effect, and other environmental problems, isn't it?

Those businesses were already in place- they're called Oil Companies, Recyclers and Auto Manufacturers.
So-called "global warming" has been shot full of so many holes, they had to start calling it "climate change".
Everyone can sit here and post links to bolster their theories and the links are no better than what the person's opinion are who wrote them. The internet, wikipedia and what have you are not Gospel and every source of information is completely manipulated to assist your arrival to the author's conclusion.
A little common sense is in order regarding global warming. Just the fact it has been spun and repackaged over the past two years should tell you it's pure charlatainism.

I am someone that monitors distributions of animals. Some are expanding to north and loosing range in south. Those organisms are not aware of the politics but are moving anyway. I trust their judgement that something is changing. Evidence for climate change / global warming getting stronger in weather records. Most parties suggesting now warming trend either have vested parties with hands in their pockets, lack credibility for a range of reasons, or both. I have descendents to think about so being realistic has got to start at least by some people that have a handle on the facts.
 
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That is true, but it can be see the other way around to. There are many business that also get a profit from discredit green house effect, and other environmental problems, isn't it?

Those businesses were already in place- they're called Oil Companies, Recyclers and Auto Manufacturers.
So-called "global warming" has been shot full of so many holes, they had to start calling it "climate change".
Everyone can sit here and post links to bolster their theories and the links are no better than what the person's opinion are who wrote them. The internet, wikipedia and what have you are not Gospel and every source of information is completely manipulated to assist your arrival to the author's conclusion.
A little common sense is in order regarding global warming. Just the fact it has been spun and repackaged over the past two years should tell you it's pure charlatainism.

Seriously, I laughed reading that your arguments to disprove a theory are "Everyone can sit here and post links to bolster their theories and the links are no better than what the person's opinion are who wrote them."
And, at the same time you say "So-called "global warming" has been shot full of so many holes, they had to start calling it "climate change".", seriously, how does someone can get this conclusion from, other then their opinion?
 
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For God's sake, that's not an argument. It must be a joke.
When was that changed? ...I wasn't notified about it. I bet the first reference for Climate change dates back to 1800's, but I not loose time searching because it's pointless.
 
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For God's sake, that's not an argument. It must be a joke.
When was that changed? ...I wasn't notified about it. I bet the first reference for Climate change dates back to 1800's, but I not loose time searching because it's pointless.

You must remember that in the US, there are a gross number of people who don't accept evidence...sometimes it's just not worth the effort. I'm done trying on this thread.
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Those businesses were already in place- they're called Oil Companies, Recyclers and Auto Manufacturers.
So-called "global warming" has been shot full of so many holes, they had to start calling it "climate change".
Everyone can sit here and post links to bolster their theories and the links are no better than what the person's opinion are who wrote them. The internet, wikipedia and what have you are not Gospel and every source of information is completely manipulated to assist your arrival to the author's conclusion.
A little common sense is in order regarding global warming. Just the fact it has been spun and repackaged over the past two years should tell you it's pure charlatainism.

You're right, they're not gospel. Unlike gospel, there is evidence supporting it.

Except for all those divinely-inspired writings and dead sea scrolls and stuff, yeah the Gospel's made up. Perhaps reading The Case For Christ would be a good place to start.
 
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