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[U_Stormcrow]

I choose to believe that the OP means well, but is very young. Their eagerness exceeded their wisdom, and clouded an accurate self-assessment of their expertise. Its over, leave it in the hole OP dug for themselves and move on.

 

[Chicken poppy]

Even I have owned chickens for longer than you and have kept more birds, but I do not go around "pretending" I know everything. I learn from the experts and stay out of what I have no clue on. BYC is supposed to be an accurate forum, but when people try to act like they know something, it can be really serious, especially in the ER forum. I know I do not know more than the "experts" a lot of whom have been owning chickens for longer than I have been alive

Anyhow, I am not trying to be mean, its just that I have once fallen
for misinformation and if it weren't for the people on BYC, my birds would have gone down hill really fast. I would not want myself or anyone to ruin the reliability of this website. I hope you can understand? I know you are not trying to kill birds, but dosages and meds can be really dangerous if not understood completely.

Google can be wrong as well. Once you own chickens long enough, you will know there is more to it. Its not as straight forward as it seems. There are so many myths online and BYC has been the most reliable. I am hoping it stays that way. I would rather take advice from someone who has dealt with wry neck and such. A lot of the experts on BYC are also really good at knowing the "whys" behind everything and how they function and why they even work at all. Those foundations are really important.

No, i understand. everyone had already said it was wrong information so i just decided to delete the post. im a bit confused though, what do you mean about dosages and meds? This was to avoid picky eating in birds and not medications. Everyone was just either saying picky eating was false or i was feeding my birds to many treats (which i had not said but i can see how that could have been a fault on my end) you can choose not to take advice from wryneck from me, whatever youd like. im not continuing the series anyhow because of the whole thing this has brought. I genuinly try my very best at these forums and dont take it off of google, i was simply showing it wasnt something that i just decided to make up, and other people including people on this site have had the same issue. I never make up things and try to avoid things i could mess up, which i even take advice from some experts to write this forum. I appreciate the comment, you have no reason to listen to what im writing at all, thats why i simply deleted the post, i didnt think i said anything that could hurt someones poultry, just saying that you might wanna limit treats, may wanna do certain things and all this started. it was my fault though and i decided i didnt want other people to look at the post and take something different off of it, like follow the advice if everyone else said it was bad.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Thanks for the advice here in the UK things are much harder to get hold of…it could be me being dizzy but I have googled flock raiser since you have replied, I can’t seem to find it, Amazon is saying change your postal address for suppliers to ship

^ and THAT is why location data in your profile helps. I'm in the N Florida Panhandle region, as you can see at left.

"All Flock" or "Flock Raiser" is a term of art, used to loosely describe a bulk bag of typically nonmedicated chicken feed with a nutritional profile of about 18-20% protein, 3.5% fiber +/-, 1% Calcium +/-, often with a bit of added niacin (not important to chickens, but very important for ducks and geese).

Now, I happen to know that our friends across the pond in the EU typically make use of lower protein feeds than we do here in the US. A lot of recent studies they've made (which I greatly appreciate) on formulating lower protein feeds (13-14%) supplimented with synthetic amino accids (DL Methionine, and L-Lysine mostly) to acheive satisfactory feed results.

Let's see what I can find.

 

[Chicken poppy]

I choose to believe that the OP means well, but is very young. Their eagerness exceeded their wisdom, and clouded an accurate self-assessment of their expertise. Its over, leave it in the hole OP dug for themselves and move on.

Hi, im sorry if i sounded rude or anything, i was trying to figure out what exactly i did wrong? The reason i deleted the post was because people said it was wrong info, i didnt want more people to follow the info and do something they shouldnt have, not to throw a fit or anything. I appreciate people told me it was wrong so i could fix it, i was just a bit confused exactly what i did wrong? I think some people may have misunderstood what i said exactly, because i wasnt telling anyone to feed their chickens tons of treats (or that i feed mine a ton for that matter) i said the exact opposite. I didnt quite understand how saying not to feed chickens tons of treats came into me giving all this false info, im not saying anyone did anything wrong, its obviously my fault, but still trying to figure out what i said exactly to cause it.

 

[Mrs J]

^ and THAT is why location data in your profile helps. I'm in the N Florida Panhandle region, as you can see at left.

"All Flock" or "Flock Raiser" is a term of art, used to loosely describe a bulk bag of typically nonmedicated chicken feed with a nutritional profile of about 18-20% protein, 3.5% fiber +/-, 1% Calcium +/-, often with a bit of added niacin (not important to chickens, but very important for ducks and geese).

Now, I happen to know that our friends across the pond in the EU typically make use of lower protein feeds than we do here in the US. A lot of recent studies they've made (which I greatly appreciate) on formulating lower protein feeds (13-14%) supplimented with synthetic amino accids (DL Methionine, and L-Lysine mostly) to acheive satisfactory feed results.

Let's see what I can find.

Thank you it would be really appreciated..to be fair, I have been navigating my way around this forum and I am learning new things every day, but I haven’t quite mastered the art of updating my profile yet I am just learning how to reply individually without quoting the whole post please bare with me.

 

[topochico225]

I choose to believe that the OP means well, but is very young. Their eagerness exceeded their wisdom, and clouded an accurate self-assessment of their expertise. Its over, leave it in the hole OP dug for themselves and move on.

x2.

OP, I'm sorry if I came off as rude. I should have been more gentle with my messages. I hope you'll accept my apology.

 

[Chicken poppy]

what exactly did i do wrong? (Im saying this in full curiousity, most people were saying i didnt know things about chickens which im a bit confused about, ive seen experts ask questions about molting even. Of course, i get the difference because im making a thread how to avoid these things so its influencing people) i dont exactly know what i had wrongly said, everyone told me different things i did wrong which im a bit confused about still, i said not to overfeed chickens treats and people were saying i fed my chickens a ton of treats and they were going to die? I didnt remember saying i even fed my chickens that many treats, i just said that you can get them to eat certain foods by keeping the treat level down and such. Sorry for the confusion again, and like i said, i deleted the thread because everyone (everyone) in this thread said it was wrong, bad, info in many different ways, which i appreciate. but thats why i deleted it, because i dont want people to get false info, not being angry that people were saying this, i do appreciate the help youve given, but no one has really specified what i said to have this wrong, i think that their replying to the other recent posts, thinking thats the pure subject, because i know a few people that didnt read the thread before deletion.

 

[Chicken poppy]

x2.

OP, I'm sorry if I came off as rude. I should have been more gentle with my messages. I hope you'll accept my apology.

No, please dont be sorry. Im glad everyone told me what the problems were so people wouldnt get influnced of bad things, thank you. It might not seem like it but im glad everyone said something, im still just a Bit confused how people thought i gave my chickens a ton of treats though. I think there could have been a slight confusion in the thread, because everyone thought i gave my chickens so many treats on a daily and told me not to do that, which is my fault because i think i gave that impression, to anyone asking i dont. i feed them “treats” that are like alfalfa and arent even bad, i used blueberries as a example in the thread, my chickens dont like blueberries anyway. I can assure everyone they get mash, chicken feed, slight alfalfa every now in then, grains and nuts and thats what they eat.

 

[Chicken poppy]

Also, do you have a source for where you're getting this information? A credible scientific study, not some chicken blog?

I ask because Kiki is considered one of the feeding experts on BYC, and I'd like to see credible proof against her statements, knowing that she has put time, effort, and research into her point of view.

Also, sorry, i didnt get this notification.
i didnt know it would honestly be bad (from the thread) i never had said feed chickens treats every day and all that, i simply was trying to explain to people that i dont feed my chickens treats every single day (dont know how that came into things) and that my chickens arent going to die because their overfed by treats. Ive researched chickens for a while, i always sight check everything i know to insure its right, i suppose i messed up This time. I didnt see the harm in what i had posted, i always made sure to not go tell people “hey, your chicken has a eye infection? Thats okay, fowl pox shot should do the trick!” Anything that could harm anyones chickens, i often give advice on breeds, even things like wry neck because its not something that can kill or hurt a chicken, your giving electrolytes, being patient. That cant hurt it (atleast my thoughts) by telling people dont overfeed treats and such i dont know how it faded into all that people instantly thought i was spreading false info and that i overfeed chickens, which im still unsure how that even happened, i think again, most people didnt read the thread above, and replied off the other persons post. Kiki said she hopes my chickens dont die of being overfed by treats. I can list their full diet, i dont know how anyone would assume i feed them constant treats or anything, i had told people dont overfeed (Not saying she did anything wrong, but im saying some things clearly got mixed up)

 

[cherrynberry]

No, i understand. everyone had already said it was wrong information so i just decided to delete the post. im a bit confused though, what do you mean about dosages and meds? This was to avoid picky eating in birds and not medications. Everyone was just either saying picky eating was false or i was feeding my birds to many treats (which i had not said but i can see how that could have been a fault on my end) you can choose not to take advice from wryneck from me, whatever youd like. im not continuing the series anyhow because of the whole thing this has brought. I genuinly try my very best at these forums and dont take it off of google, i was simply showing it wasnt something that i just decided to make up, and other people including people on this site have had the same issue. I never make up things and try to avoid things i could mess up, which i even take advice from some experts to write this forum. I appreciate the comment, you have no reason to listen to what im writing at all, thats why i simply deleted the post, i didnt think i said anything that could hurt someones poultry, just saying that you might wanna limit treats, may wanna do certain things and all this started. it was my fault though and i decided i didnt want other people to look at the post and take something different off of it, like follow the advice if everyone else said it was bad.

Not sure about your "picky eaters" post, but I have never had a bird being picky over treats, which they rarely get. They have been picky with non processsed poultry feed, which is why I now get crumbles instead of whole grains (this was the first misinformation I fell for). I free feed my flock and check their crops (by feel) every morning. Never had an issue with free feeding. Treats are extra and not needed. Not sure what you wrote in your original post. Did you talk about vitamins?

I rarely add vitamins (poultry cell) to their water. I only use it when Wyorp Rock tells me. Only for sick birds, usually. If I add it via water, it needs to be switched out daily. I like to give poultry cell orally though.

Anyhow, you seem very understanding. Theres really a lot that can go into "picky" eaters, some of which may be because the bird is sick. Without knowing the specific bird and symptoms, its hard to generalize and say that birds are picky because of being fed too many treats. Meds and dosages may be needed for sick birds, including some of mine. The only birds I have had stop eating are:

1.) A bird that had sour crop
2.) 2 birds with reproductive disorders (one had a necropsy done)
3.) Bird that was going through a hard molt
4.) Birds with flystrike.


I am done now.