I'm Sending Feed to be Analyzed

[miss heny]

I'm not trying to stir an argument here any more than you are and i forgot that ticky tock i posted had a naughty word at the end. Oops. Apoligies to the offended.

But i would like to say, I personally come from an area where hunting fishing and farming and raising our own animials for food is our way of life. I don't know a single person who views any animal as a commodity. We are grateful to and for every living being that provide for us sustenance and or financial security, as well as the opportinity to pass on to future generations the gift of being more self sufficient by contributing to the conservation of wild animals by hunting and trapping animials that would otherwise become overpopulated and starving destroying our personal livestock and crops and or suffer from disease.
I'm not sure anyone could care more deeply for their animals than those who raise them for a higher purpouse than just yard candy.
There is this thing called circle of life. Everything on this earth is either predator or prey.
What that video i posted was pointing out was even if you choose to be vegan or vegatarian based on nit harming any animals...
Critters still have to be killed and poisioned to preserve the crops being grown. There is no way around that. Even if we eat bugs. Who gets to say a bugs life is less important than a chicken or a deer?

The end.
Luv, Shaw

*cough*

My thread the Round Table and Random rambling may be a better spot to start this

 

[BelovedBirds]

I'm not trying to stir an argument here any more than you are and i forgot that ticky tock i posted had a naughty word at the end. Oops. Apoligies to the offended.

But i would like to say, I personally come from an area where hunting fishing and farming and raising our own animials for food is our way of life. I don't know a single person who views any animal as a commodity. We are grateful to and for every living being that provide for us sustenance and or financial security, as well as the opportinity to pass on to future generations the gift of being more self sufficient by contributing to the conservation of wild animals by hunting and trapping animials that would otherwise become overpopulated and starving destroying our personal livestock and crops and or suffer from disease.
I'm not sure anyone could care more deeply for their animals than those who raise them for a higher purpouse than just yard candy.
There is this thing called circle of life. Everything on this earth is either predator or prey.
What that video i posted was pointing out was even if you choose to be vegan or vegatarian based on not wanting to harm any animals...
Critters still have to be killed and poisioned to preserve the crops being grown. There is no way around that. Even if we eat bugs. Who gets to say a bugs life is less important than a chicken or a deer?

The end.
Luv, Shaw

For sure, plenty of people don't see their livestock as commodities, but one community's standards aren't the same as the next. The world is full of factory farms, and there is so much abuse and exploitation going on in them. And even other farmers, plenty don't care about their livestock. Some do, and others don't.
So we have to speak about this, not to group all meat eaters together, or to cause a divide, but to combine all our efforts to end animal abuse on this level.

As to your last question, "who gets to say a bug's life is less important than a chickens"
The problem isn't that it's a life, plants are lives too. The problem is intelligence. A bug doesn't have a complex nervous system like a chicken does, they don't have the intelligence that a chicken does. If you factory farm insects, they aren't going to suffer the same way chickens would in that environment. Killing and eating a bug is more humane than killing and eating a chicken. The farming of insects is also probably much better for the environment. That's my view on that note

 

[BelovedBirds]

*cough*

My thread the Round Table and Random rambling may be a better spot to start this

Ooh good point, I don't think I've checked that thread out yet!!

 

[shawluvsbirds]

*cough*

My thread the Round Table and Random rambling may be a better spot to start this

I forgot about that thread. Imma gonna shut it up after this post anyway.

For sure, plenty of people don't see their livestock as commodities, but one community's standards aren't the same as the next. The world is full of factory farms, and there is so much abuse and exploitation going on in them. And even other farmers, plenty don't care about their livestock. Some do, and others don't.
So we have to speak about this, not to group all meat eaters together, or to cause a divide, but to combine all our efforts to end animal abuse on this level.

As to your last question, "who gets to say a bug's life is less important than a chickens"
The problem isn't that it's a life, plants are lives too. The problem is intelligence. A bug doesn't have a complex nervous system like a chicken does, they don't have the intelligence that a chicken does. If you factory farm insects, they aren't going to suffer the same way chickens would in that environment. Killing and eating a bug is more humane than killing and eating a chicken. The farming of insects is also probably much better for the environment. That's my view on that note

Should everyone strive to do better as individuals where the ethical treatment of animials is concerned.. ABSOLUTELY.

Trouble is it DOES largely get all lumped together by most activists.

I'm not going to dive into the intelligence of life and environment debate.
There are plenty of people who have wanted to ban the use of worms and other live bait for fishing.
There's no way of making everyone *feel* ok about everything.
It's just a slippery slope from promoting ethical treatment of animials to the "we should all live on air and sunshine" mentality. Lol.

 

[BelovedBirds]

I forgot about that thread. Imma gonna shut it up after this post anyway.


Should everyone strive to do better as individuals where the ethical treatment of animials is concerned.. ABSOLUTELY.

Trouble is it DOES largely get all lumped together by most activists.

I'm not going to dive into the intelligence of life and environment debate.
There are plenty of people who have wanted to ban the use of worms and other live bait for fishing.
There's no way of making everyone *feel* ok about everything.
It's just a slippery slope from promoting ethical treatment of animials to the "we should all live on air and sunshine" mentality. Lol.

I respectfully disagree
And of course not everyone will be happy with any one solution. It will vary for everyone based on their circustances. But I think the most important thing is that we all do our best and fight for eachother, and our animals. Using "not everyone will be happy" as a reason to not deal with this important issue, isnt helpful.
I have a lot of respect and love for some activists, others not so much, and for some none at all.
But most have an unfair bad reputation. I hear a lot of hatred for them, but if I'm honest, I think vegan activists have treated me with more kindness than meat eaters have. (Comparing from when I ate meat and debated with vegans, to now) Actually, that's definitely true. Just my experience though.

 

 

[Sally PB]

Back to the original part of this thread, about chicken feed. Here are the results of my informal experiment.

Regular feed is Kalmbach 20% Flock Maker. The Purina feed is 20% flock raiser; key nutrition analysis was the same for protein, lysine, and methionine. The Kalmbach is about 4 months old, so not very fresh. The Purina (probably because I bought small bags, and TSC doesn't turn them over very fast) was a cringe worthy 7 months old.

The experiment feeding a Purina Feed lasted 6 days, and then I was out of that feed. I wasn't going to buy a big bag, so it was 10 lbs of feed.

The 6 days prior: 3 eggs (Kalmbach feed)
The 6 days of: 8 eggs (on Purina)
The 6 days after: 8 eggs (back to Kalmbach feed)
The 6 days since that? 14 eggs.

What does it mean?

(wait for it....)

I don't have to buy eggs from the store any more!

What does it prove? To me, nothing about the feed! The days are getting longer, we're getting more sunshine, the hens are getting it in gear.

 

[shawluvsbirds]

"not everyone will be happy" as a reason to not deal with this important issue, isnt helpful.

I do actually think it's important that people base decisions about things that will impact the livlihood of others based on reality, fact and practicality and not their emotions.

 

[BelovedBirds]

I do actually think it's important that people base decisions about things that will impact the livlihood of others based on reality, fact and practicality and not their emotions.

Of course, I'm not arguing emotions, or anything irrational.
A massive misconception about vegans is that we're all about the rights of animals and nothing else. We (at least, most of us) care a lot about people. That means we consider farmers, slaughter house workers, etc etc.
Have you ever looked into the stats of poor mental health in slaughter house workers?

I won't comment on this topic here further, as I want to let people get back to the main topic.
But please see that we aren't fighting you, or any meat eaters, or farmers. We're simply fighting for a better world. Not a perfect world, that's impossible. But a better one.

 

[BelovedBirds]

Back to the original part of this thread, about chicken feed. Here are the results of my informal experiment.

Regular feed is Kalmbach 20% Flock Maker. The Purina feed is 20% flock raiser; key nutrition analysis was the same for protein, lysine, and methionine. The Kalmbach is about 4 months old, so not very fresh. The Purina (probably because I bought small bags, and TSC doesn't turn them over very fast) was a cringe worthy 7 months old.

The experiment feeding a Purina Feed lasted 6 days, and then I was out of that feed. I wasn't going to buy a big bag, so it was 10 lbs of feed.

The 6 days prior: 3 eggs (Kalmbach feed)
The 6 days of: 8 eggs (on Purina)
The 6 days after: 8 eggs (back to Kalmbach feed)
The 6 days since that? 14 eggs.

What does it mean?

(wait for it....)

I don't have to buy eggs from the store any more!

What does it prove? To me, nothing about the feed! The days are getting longer, we're getting more sunshine, the hens are getting it in gear.

That's really interesting!

 

[Geena]

I think vegan activists have treated me with more kindness than meat eaters have. Actually, that's definitely true.

We all tend to find those who agree with our way of thinking to be more pleasant than those who disagree with us. That's why birds of a feather flock together.