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Poultry Body Weights average body weights of various exhibition poultry. https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-body-weights
Or visit Henderson's Chicken Breed Chart for weights of more breeds.
dawgg ~fenbendazole 10% suspension liquid goat wormer, kills gapeworm too....3cc/ml per gallon of water. The fenbendazole paste equine wormer is "pea" size amount for each chicken.
10% Fenbendazole Liquid = 100mg/ml and Paste = 100mg/gram
per Kathy
Buy some Safeguard liquid for goats or Safeguard/Panacur paste for horses. The dose I use is 0.23 ml per pound orally for five consecutive days.
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I'm gonna guess that your hen weighs ~5 pounds. Dose for treating all chicken worms is 50mg/kg orally for five consecutive days. Math is weight of bird in pound, divide by 2.2, times 50, divide by 100 = number of ml to give.
5 / 2.2 x 50 / 100 = 1.136, so round up to 1.15 ml.
A 25 gram tube = 25 ml.
Chickens and dogs get 50mg/kg for several days, horses, goats and cows get just 5mg/kg.
-Kathy
Fenbendazole paste is not water soluble, it must be given orally!
It must be given orally, and the dose is *much* more than a pea size amount. A pea size amount has only 25 mg.
From left to right:
Small = 10mg ( .1cc) = enough for a 200 gram (7 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
Medium = 25mg (.25cc) = enough for a 500 gram (17 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
Large = 50mg ( .5cc) = enough for a 1000 gram (35 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
50 mg/kg for 5 days is what my vets and other vets have recommended.
She needs 115 mg, which is 1.15 ml or about 4 of the medium sized peas for 5 consecutive days if you want to treat for all worms.
1.15 ml
Everyone, I like Dawg53 a lot, but the recommendation of 3 cc in the water is unlikely to treat any worms. Same is true for the infamous "pea size" amount. A five pound hen should get ~115 mg, not 25 mg.
Quote:how much safeguard? It is one of the ms birds so sell or die it is leaving. I was told to worm twice a year and could start in the spring since they were all young this last fall. Anyone who sees this no how wrong that advice was.
If she were mine and I decided to use Safeguard I think I would give 0.23ml per pound for five days in a row, that will treat all worms, but if you want to treat just the large roundworms, give it once and repeat in 10 days.
-Kathy
"fenbenSafeguard Will treat large roundworms, cecal worms, capillary worms, gape worms, gizzard worms, possible some species of tape worms". It will not treat eye worms, might not treat oviduct flukes
Internal parasites (endoparasites, worms, helminths)
Roundworms (nematodes)
Capillary worms
This chick had 3 cc Safeguard in the water:
Those are roundworms, the easiest of all the worms to kill.
-Kathy
Quote:You need to give her 1.15 ml orally (4-5 pea size amounts), not in the water.
-Kathy
Quote:From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook - 7th Edition
Quote:Panacur is not licensed for use in Poultry in the UK. It is a wormer that is commonly used for cats and dogs as well as cattle.
If you take your chickens to the vets for worming they may be given Panacur. It is a broad spectrum wormer that many vets will prescribe for poultry, often because they don’t stock Flubenvet but have Panacur on the shelf.
Used to treat: Large roundworm, caecal worm, gapeworm, hairworm and gizzard worm in poultry and the Taenia species of tapeworm.
Dosage: Varies according to the vet’s advice. Usually between 10mg and 50mg per Kg of weight. Repeated 7 to 10 days later.
Active ingredient: Fenbendazole.
Egg withdrawal for chickens: Intervet (who make Panacur) advised 7 days following the last day of treatment.
Slaughtering for meat for human consumption: 7 days after the last treatment
Length of treatment: 7 to 10 days (dosage is repeated after 7 to 10 days).
Roundworm
Cecal worm
Capillary worms
Gapeworm
Fenbendazole is approved in the USA for use in growing turkeys at the rate of 14.5 g/ton of feed (16 ppm), fed continuously as the sole ration for 6 days for the removal of Ascaridia dissimilis and Heterakis gallinarum. No withdrawal time is required. One study indicates a possible negative effect on sperm quality by the drug. It has been suggested that an alternative drug be used for treatment of breeding toms or that the sperm number and frequency of artificial inseminations be increased. Fenbendazole is not approved for use in other poultry in the USA but is effective against Ascaris when administered once at 10–50 mg/kg; if needed the treatment can be repeated after 10 days. At 10–50 mg/kg, fenbendazole when administered daily over 5 days is effective against Capillaria. Fenbendazole is also efffective against other nematodes when administered at 10–50 mg/kg/day for 3–5 days or as a single dosage of 20–100 mg/kg, or added to the drinking water at 125 mg/L for 5 days or to the feed at 100 mg/kg. Fenbendazole should not be administered during molt, because it may interfere with feather regrowth.
Fenbendazole at 20 mg/kg for 3–4 days effectively removes gapeworms in pheasants. Toxicity has been reported in pigeons that received fenbendazole at the rate of 30 mg/kg for 5 days. Thiabendazole administered at 0.05% in the feed continuously for 2 wk can be used for treatment of gapeworms in pheasants, and when given continuously for ≥4 days is said to help prevent and control infections. Withdrawal of 21 days is required for meat consumption; specific precautions should be observed in feeds containing bentonite. Tetramisole at 3.6 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days in the drinking water removes gapeworms. Poultry treated while larvae are migrating in the body develop immunity to gapeworms, even though therapy may abort larval migration. Levamisole fed at a level of 0.04% for 2 days or at 2 g/gal. drinking water for 1 day each month has proved to be an effective control in game birds. Kiwis are reported to be acutely sensitive to levamisole at doses well within the safe range for domesticated poultry. Mebendazole fed prophylactically at 64 ppm or curatively at 125 ppm is effective in turkey poults. Cambendazole provided control when given in three treatments of 50 mg/kg for chickens and 20 mg/kg for turkeys. Albendazole administered as a single oral suspension (5 mg/kg bird weight) was reported effective against A galli, H gallinarum, and C obsignata. The drug also has been reported effective against cestodes if administered at 20 mg/kg. There are no published withdrawal times. Nitarsone at 170 g/ton (0.01875%) of feed has been reported to reduce A dissimilis fecundity and worm burden in chickens and turkeys.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/poultry/helminthiasis/overview_of_helminthiasis_in_poultry.html
All of these are 10% Fenbendazole
Liquid = 100mg/ml and Paste = 100mg/gram
-Kathy
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The poop page, that chat allotment one, is flawed... IMO, foamy poops are never normal. Could be worms, coccidia or something else. Do you know which one did it?
-Kathy
Water soluble 20% fenbendazole (Safeguard) - 200mg/ml - Available in Europe?
http://fs-1.5mpublishing.com/images/MSD/PDF/PAP PBulletin v8c FINAL.pdf
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@casportpony IS there a way we can get this post straightened out as it should be? I dont want others to get confused or miss informed.
I will see what I can come up with. Unfortunately, the web is full of misinformation, so many people are likely to just google wormer dosing and won't bother researching it. I know, 'cause that's how I used to do it.
There are so many worms, and each can be treated, but some require more of a medication than others. Giving too little of a wormer can cause resistance, which is one of the reasons people should have fecals done. For example, if a fecal shows just roundworm eggs you could give Wazine (piperazine), pyrantel pamoate or maybe ivermectin and save using something like Safeguard or Valbazen for when you have cecal worms, capillary worms or gapeworms. Those three can be treated with Safeguard or Valbazen, but the dose need to treat each is different. Make sense?
So what's the right thing for people that can't have fecals done? Should they just go ahead and worm for all worms? If it is, how can we get them to ignore all the misinformation? Like the 3cc per gallon? Or the 1/2 cc per bird, repeat in 10 days? And the "pea size" paste?
-Kathy
AFTER WORMING IMAGES
I got Panacur equine dewormer, How should I administer it to her?
Poultry Body Weights average body weights of various exhibition poultry. https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-body-weights
Or visit Henderson's Chicken Breed Chart for weights of more breeds.
dawgg ~fenbendazole 10% suspension liquid goat wormer, kills gapeworm too....3cc/ml per gallon of water. The fenbendazole paste equine wormer is "pea" size amount for each chicken.
10% Fenbendazole Liquid = 100mg/ml and Paste = 100mg/gram
per Kathy
Buy some Safeguard liquid for goats or Safeguard/Panacur paste for horses. The dose I use is 0.23 ml per pound orally for five consecutive days.
Quote:
I'm gonna guess that your hen weighs ~5 pounds. Dose for treating all chicken worms is 50mg/kg orally for five consecutive days. Math is weight of bird in pound, divide by 2.2, times 50, divide by 100 = number of ml to give.
5 / 2.2 x 50 / 100 = 1.136, so round up to 1.15 ml.
A 25 gram tube = 25 ml.
Chickens and dogs get 50mg/kg for several days, horses, goats and cows get just 5mg/kg.
-Kathy
Fenbendazole paste is not water soluble, it must be given orally!
It must be given orally, and the dose is *much* more than a pea size amount. A pea size amount has only 25 mg.
From left to right:
Small = 10mg ( .1cc) = enough for a 200 gram (7 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
Medium = 25mg (.25cc) = enough for a 500 gram (17 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
Large = 50mg ( .5cc) = enough for a 1000 gram (35 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg
50 mg/kg for 5 days is what my vets and other vets have recommended.
She needs 115 mg, which is 1.15 ml or about 4 of the medium sized peas for 5 consecutive days if you want to treat for all worms.
1.15 ml
Everyone, I like Dawg53 a lot, but the recommendation of 3 cc in the water is unlikely to treat any worms. Same is true for the infamous "pea size" amount. A five pound hen should get ~115 mg, not 25 mg.
Quote:how much safeguard? It is one of the ms birds so sell or die it is leaving. I was told to worm twice a year and could start in the spring since they were all young this last fall. Anyone who sees this no how wrong that advice was.
If she were mine and I decided to use Safeguard I think I would give 0.23ml per pound for five days in a row, that will treat all worms, but if you want to treat just the large roundworms, give it once and repeat in 10 days.
-Kathy
"fenbenSafeguard Will treat large roundworms, cecal worms, capillary worms, gape worms, gizzard worms, possible some species of tape worms". It will not treat eye worms, might not treat oviduct flukes
Internal parasites (endoparasites, worms, helminths)
Roundworms (nematodes)
- Acuaria spp ~ Dispharynx ~ Synhimanthus spp. $. Gizzard worms. Gizzard, esophagus and proventriculus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in birds kept outdoors.
- Ascaridia spp. $$$. Chicken roundworms. Small intestine. A serious problem worldwide, also in confined operations.
- Capillaria spp. $$. Hairworms. Crop, esophagus, small intestine, large intestine.
- Heterakis spp. $$$$. Cecal worms. Cecum. Probably the most threatening worms in all kind of poultry operations worldwide.
- Oxyspirura spp. $. Fowl eyeworms. Eyes. Usually a secondary problem in individual birds kept outdoors.
- Strongyloides spp. $$. Threadworms, pinworms. Small intestine. Can be a serious problem worldwide.
- Subulura spp. $. Cecum and small intestine. A secondary problem in birds kept outdoors worldwide.
- Syngamus trachea. $$. Gapeworms. Trachea, bronchi. A serious problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
- Tetrameres spp. $. Proventriculus and esophagus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in outdoor opertaions.
- Amoebotaenia cuneata = sphenoides. $. Small intestine. Usually a secondary issue in most poultry operations
- Choanotaenia infundibulum. $. Small intestine. Usually not a major issue in modern poultry operations.
- Davainea proglottina. $. Minute tapeworms. Small intestine. Can be a problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
- Raillietina spp. $$. Small intestine. The most frequent tapeworm in poultry, however normally not a major problem.
- Prosthogonimus spp. $. Oviduct flukes. Oviduct, bursa of Fabricius. Can be a serious threat for birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
Capillary worms
This chick had 3 cc Safeguard in the water:
Those are roundworms, the easiest of all the worms to kill.
-Kathy
Quote:You need to give her 1.15 ml orally (4-5 pea size amounts), not in the water.
-Kathy
Quote:From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook - 7th Edition
Quote:Panacur is not licensed for use in Poultry in the UK. It is a wormer that is commonly used for cats and dogs as well as cattle.
Used to treat: Large roundworm, caecal worm, gapeworm, hairworm and gizzard worm in poultry and the Taenia species of tapeworm.
Dosage: Varies according to the vet’s advice. Usually between 10mg and 50mg per Kg of weight. Repeated 7 to 10 days later.
Active ingredient: Fenbendazole.
Egg withdrawal for chickens: Intervet (who make Panacur) advised 7 days following the last day of treatment.
Slaughtering for meat for human consumption: 7 days after the last treatment
Length of treatment: 7 to 10 days (dosage is repeated after 7 to 10 days).
Roundworm
Cecal worm
Capillary worms
Gapeworm
Fenbendazole is approved in the USA for use in growing turkeys at the rate of 14.5 g/ton of feed (16 ppm), fed continuously as the sole ration for 6 days for the removal of Ascaridia dissimilis and Heterakis gallinarum. No withdrawal time is required. One study indicates a possible negative effect on sperm quality by the drug. It has been suggested that an alternative drug be used for treatment of breeding toms or that the sperm number and frequency of artificial inseminations be increased. Fenbendazole is not approved for use in other poultry in the USA but is effective against Ascaris when administered once at 10–50 mg/kg; if needed the treatment can be repeated after 10 days. At 10–50 mg/kg, fenbendazole when administered daily over 5 days is effective against Capillaria. Fenbendazole is also efffective against other nematodes when administered at 10–50 mg/kg/day for 3–5 days or as a single dosage of 20–100 mg/kg, or added to the drinking water at 125 mg/L for 5 days or to the feed at 100 mg/kg. Fenbendazole should not be administered during molt, because it may interfere with feather regrowth.
Fenbendazole at 20 mg/kg for 3–4 days effectively removes gapeworms in pheasants. Toxicity has been reported in pigeons that received fenbendazole at the rate of 30 mg/kg for 5 days. Thiabendazole administered at 0.05% in the feed continuously for 2 wk can be used for treatment of gapeworms in pheasants, and when given continuously for ≥4 days is said to help prevent and control infections. Withdrawal of 21 days is required for meat consumption; specific precautions should be observed in feeds containing bentonite. Tetramisole at 3.6 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days in the drinking water removes gapeworms. Poultry treated while larvae are migrating in the body develop immunity to gapeworms, even though therapy may abort larval migration. Levamisole fed at a level of 0.04% for 2 days or at 2 g/gal. drinking water for 1 day each month has proved to be an effective control in game birds. Kiwis are reported to be acutely sensitive to levamisole at doses well within the safe range for domesticated poultry. Mebendazole fed prophylactically at 64 ppm or curatively at 125 ppm is effective in turkey poults. Cambendazole provided control when given in three treatments of 50 mg/kg for chickens and 20 mg/kg for turkeys. Albendazole administered as a single oral suspension (5 mg/kg bird weight) was reported effective against A galli, H gallinarum, and C obsignata. The drug also has been reported effective against cestodes if administered at 20 mg/kg. There are no published withdrawal times. Nitarsone at 170 g/ton (0.01875%) of feed has been reported to reduce A dissimilis fecundity and worm burden in chickens and turkeys.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/poultry/helminthiasis/overview_of_helminthiasis_in_poultry.html
All of these are 10% Fenbendazole
Liquid = 100mg/ml and Paste = 100mg/gram
-Kathy
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ROUNDWORMS
POOP ALL About CHICKEN POOP sometimes it is runny clear a must read! post #51529
Found this in coop. The poo chart is close to good and bad. Is this normal? Pic of same poo.
And
The poop page, that chat allotment one, is flawed... IMO, foamy poops are never normal. Could be worms, coccidia or something else. Do you know which one did it?
-Kathy
Water soluble 20% fenbendazole (Safeguard) - 200mg/ml - Available in Europe?
http://fs-1.5mpublishing.com/images/MSD/PDF/PAP PBulletin v8c FINAL.pdf
Quote:
@casportpony IS there a way we can get this post straightened out as it should be? I dont want others to get confused or miss informed.
I will see what I can come up with. Unfortunately, the web is full of misinformation, so many people are likely to just google wormer dosing and won't bother researching it. I know, 'cause that's how I used to do it.
There are so many worms, and each can be treated, but some require more of a medication than others. Giving too little of a wormer can cause resistance, which is one of the reasons people should have fecals done. For example, if a fecal shows just roundworm eggs you could give Wazine (piperazine), pyrantel pamoate or maybe ivermectin and save using something like Safeguard or Valbazen for when you have cecal worms, capillary worms or gapeworms. Those three can be treated with Safeguard or Valbazen, but the dose need to treat each is different. Make sense?
So what's the right thing for people that can't have fecals done? Should they just go ahead and worm for all worms? If it is, how can we get them to ignore all the misinformation? Like the 3cc per gallon? Or the 1/2 cc per bird, repeat in 10 days? And the "pea size" paste?
-Kathy
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