INCUBATING w/FRIENDS! w/Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs No problem!

[kajira]

all but 2 look the same, the two that are iffy move more than the others

 

[Chaos18]

I tried to catch up on the thread but got stumped here.... great.....

Maybe you could start with stop poking yourself in the face like that

 

[Akrnaf2]

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[Sally Sunshine]

all but 2 look the same, the two that are iffy move more than the others

Shipped Eggs = Change Of Plans! post #53845

 

[kajira]

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Shipped Eggs = Change Of Plans!
Shipped eggs have a MUCH lower hatch rate, even with experienced hatchers!




BELOW ROLLING AIR CELL OF A SHIPPED EGG
Rolls like a Carpenters Level

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SHIPPED EGGS & Malpositions!
BELOW ARE "SADDLE" SHAPED AIR CELLS

SADDLE SHAPED AIR CELLS are very COMMON with shipped eggs!​

Saddle shaped is when ​

one or both sides have a large "dip" in the air cell.​

A lot of times with saddle shaped cells the chick doesn’t position correct for hatching and their feet can easily get stuck behind their head and “smoosh” the chick so they can’t move, it can also force the yolk sack and everything more north in the shell.... Keep a close eye on these eggs and its VERY important to pencil mark Air cells! Issues Step by Step Guide to ASSISTED Hatching​

saddles below
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Jiggly eggs are when the air cell​

has a small amount of movement at the top! ​

UNDERSTANDING what goes WRONG with SHIPPED EGGS
The yolk of an egg is held in place on each end by what is called Chalaza. These are delicate cords that keep the yolk centered in the egg. When you crack open an egg, you notice a white stringy thing on the yolk, this is the Chalaza. When eggs are shipped they encounter postal handlers that toss the packages, sorting machinery, bumpy vehicle rides, temperature changes and possibly X-ray Machines! So by the time the eggs get to you they are pretty much scrambled inside. So if you are going to buy eggs and have them shipped to you, be aware that the viability drops TREMENDOUSLY. There are rare instances when they ALL arrive safely but it is always a gamble.
See Egg anatomy here http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/egg_parts.htm



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Shipped Eggs How & When to Set!

"Settle" & Setting of eggs
Shipped eggs need to be left to warm to room temperature
& need to settle B4 adding to the incubator!
This "settle" time will vary depending on the age of the eggs, DO NOT TURN THEM!!
if the air cells are large they are already getting old! Most shipped eggs are getting old!
Settle 6 hours and then set (begin incubation) if they are getting old and have large air cells. But continue to read below for Rolling, Ruptured, Jiggly Air cell info!
If Eggs are FRESH you can settle for 12-24 hours.
REMINDER~ Never Set COLD eggs in the incubator.

EGGS WILL NEED DIFFERENT TREATMENTS Should YOU have BAD AIR CELLS......


If an egg has a NORMAL INTACT AIR CELL:
Normal air cell eggs, settle 12-24 hrs if FRESH, IF OLD 6 hours and
then begin to incubate these upright and you may begin turning, you may lay horizontal or upright for hatching. Most people like to hatch upright for shipped eggs.
PLEASE PLEASE READ THE TURNING SECTION of this article FIRST!
If you can turn more than 3x a day PLEASE PLEASE turn them!! 3 is minimum amount!


For ROLLING AIR CELLS:
(cells no longer at fat end of the egg but like a bubble level on the long side, see above video)
Follow SETTLING EGGS ABOVE DO NOT TURN
Set in incubator Upright/AIR CELL UP/FAT END UP and
do not turn for 3 days once set in the bator AT LEAST!
CANDLE ONLY FROM ABOVE LEAVE THEM IN THE BATOR DURING CANDLE
If after 3 days and you have embryo growth and the air cell is still completely loose, do not turn another 24 hours.


For detached, Jiggly or disrupted air cells:
(see above for descriptions and images)
If air cells are Saddle shaped, Detached/Loose, or Jiggly follow above settle times
and set in the incubator and don't turn for at least 36/48 HOURS
After that time, turn on the turner or begin with the gentle turning side to side
or you can turn by hand in the carton by simply tilting side to side, see image below.​

Below image are Eggs in A Carton with Bottoms cut out for Ventilation ​

Below image of Turning damaged air cell Shipped Eggs, just lean to opposite side.





TREATMENT AT LOCKDOWN.......
Shipped eggs that have had loose air cells or saddle air cells,
should be hatched upright but tilted just enough so that the lowest dip is somewhat upright, so if they have fluid in the air cell it may prevent drowning).​

MARKING AIR CELLS DAY 18, DRAW DOWN, INTERNAL PIP, EXTERNAL PIP, and ZIPPING post #35770
Pips and ZIPS ARE NOT THE SAME PATIENCE is a MUST!


LOCKDOWN, DAY 18, CANDLES, PIPS, ZIPS
DAY 18 CANDLE IMAGES/VIDEOS: post #41176
FIVE VIDEOS show Draw Down and Internals post #44701
DAY 18 DIS CANDLES post #43401
DONT PICK THE PIPS! post #24611
TIMELINE of a silky HATCHING! NOTE HOW LONG IT TOOK FROM INTERNAL TO ZIPPING post #33770
TIMELINE OF A POLISH HATCHING QUICK HATCHOUT! post #46572
VIDEO of zip and hatch AT :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyO3YwrsJPg
DO my Air cells look ok Day 18? post #31971
DAY 18 HOW DO I LOCKDOWN, WHAT HUMIDITY, do I hatch horizontal OR Upright? post #32948
LOWERING TEMPS lockdown IS NOT NECESSARY/AIDs THE HATCHING PROCESS post #2898
Hatching Behavior & How the chick Comes out of the Shell post #34865
YES a chick can chirp when its not pipped internally! post #20506

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First and foremost, @Sally Sunshine for her excellent shipped egg information,
such that I'm getting live birds hatching from this mess:
Kristins horribly shipped eggs and hatch post #57321

CRACKED EXPENSIVE IMPORTANT EGGS
If you do receive a cracked egg and it’s an expensive egg you can try to hatch it, but beware of bacterial explosion and good possibility of ruining other eggs. It is possible to hatch a cracked egg by sealing the crack with candle wax/crayon wax or finger nail polish. Try to place the egg in a cup or protected place well away from other eggs. If viable to hatch, keep a close eye on where the pip mark will be in case the chick cant get through a fixed area.




REMINDER THAT YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO REIMBURSEMENT
OF DAMAGED SHIPPED EGGS
SEE LINKS FOR INFO! https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/the-truth-about-insuring-hatching-eggs
http://www.jordan-farm.com/blog/

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I would say they are a little "jiggly" but don't roll around. But our eggs looked like this that hatched, that we put in the incubator, because of the kids shaking them around. (of course, of the two most viable eggs, only 1 hatched.... the other chick was fully formed, but didn't make it on hatch day.)

I've got them sitting in the egg cartoon, to warm up to room temp. I'll stick them in the incubator before bed, and just leave them alone for the first day or two?

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Kajira, let them sit until you go to bed and room temp..... set them, follow the turning info in that post treat each egg as it presents to you

 

[DwayneNLiz]

all but 2 look the same, the two that are iffy move more than the others

Kajira, let them sit until you go to bed and room temp..... set them, follow the turning info in that post treat each egg as it presents to you

 

[AlilSassy]

After hatching questions...

First question: Just had my first hatch (ever) and (there are still eggs due of same group, but haven't pip'd yet) The second chick to hatch had started to have the egg skin turn tan and start drying, so as I read over and over to be sure, I assisted. I had to dab water on the baby and get it unglued, and such, I let it finish the hatching out of the bottom of its egg shell on its own though. It started flopping around and kicking wildly, unlike the first chick who pip'd and zipped in an hour and was nearly staggering laps around the bator... Now that its a little more stable and "dry" I have put the three who were out in the brooder and to get a better look at them... the one in question's outer toe on both feet (feathered due to being a French maran) is kinda shriveled and small and both are just folding under the foot, so the chick looks like it has 3 toed feet... Im guessing this was an incubating mess up while it was developing, and not sure the toes are going to stay, that's how little and shriveled they look... do I bother trying to do the sandle get up that I read about on here, or let them be for a day or two to see if they stay first?

Second question: I have one that hatched from a much larger egg from the rest of the marans and it is a larger chick (big ol belly to it), It has been free of its shell about 2 hrs or so and has pretty much been only sleeping... occasionally it freaks out, thrashes, then goes back to sleep. How long is too long for this resting its doing? The other three are doing the typical up and chirping/moving for 5 seconds then snoozing for 30 seconds and repeat, so I know they are doing good...

third question: The three chicks have made a pretty sticky dirty mess of the inside of the incubator, including pooping twice already in there before moving, im assuming this is still ok for the next chicks that may or may not come out?

TIA

Ok, here's how these guys look now, they were getting too "crunchy" not looking comfortable, plus I was worried about them staying warm and being able to move comfortably...so I washed them... NOW they are finally starting to fluff. Pretty sure I got a rumpless Araucana too

Here's the tiny toes... Look better now that I washed the little booger

 

[Lucky Lemon]

You're such a clown!

Does being a single parent just add to the likelihood of getting dementia??? @MotorcycleChick

Maybe you could start with stop poking yourself in the face like that

I had to change my avi because I was getting nervous about it.... there is a string of "clowns" causing problems in South Carolina and now closer to my neck of the woods in Georgia/Alabama. LOL!

 

[Chaos18]

Does being a single parent just add to the likelihood of getting dementia??? @MotorcycleChick




I had to change my avi because I was getting nervous about it.... there is a string of "clowns" causing problems in South Carolina and now closer to my neck of the woods in Georgia/Alabama.  LOL!

You anywhere near Atlanta?