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[SallyinIndiana]

Quote: I have to say that there are a few "extreme" chicken lovers on the thread. There is a wide range of these people too but I will admit that I include M2H in the group.
I think I would be more in the hoosiercheetah group of wanting my chickens to sure a purpose beyond just a calming force of nature. There is no way I would be paying a vet bill over $50 for a pet chicken or over $200 for a chicken of a breed that is not available locally. Those are my limits. And every hen had better be laying or sitting for at least 8 months of the year. Otherwise my crockpot will be there waiting.

 

[silkieaddictIN]

A little off topic lol but does anyone know any animal lawyers in indiana? The owner of the stud dog (who, it turns out may not be the father of the puppies my girl had!) Is threatening to sue me for half the litter, or .....if none of the pups are his dogs, I'm not sure what? I can't find any info online.....sigh...if anyone knows feel free to pm me or post...I'm distraught, had a horrible delivery of these pups and now I have to bottle feed. Plus the stud owner is going crazy.

 

[Birdylady3]

A little off topic lol but does anyone know any animal lawyers in indiana? The owner of the stud dog (who, it turns out may not be the father of the puppies my girl had!) Is threatening to sue me for half the litter, or .....if none of the pups are his dogs, I'm not sure what? I can't find any info online.....sigh...if anyone knows feel free to pm me or post...I'm distraught, had a horrible delivery of these pups and now I have to bottle feed. Plus the stud owner is going crazy.

Try this and see if any will help. I don't know of any personally
http://www.justia.com/lawyers/animal-dog-law/indiana/indianapolis

 

[SallyinIndiana]

A little off topic lol but does anyone know any animal lawyers in indiana? The owner of the stud dog (who, it turns out may not be the father of the puppies my girl had!) Is threatening to sue me for half the litter, or .....if none of the pups are his dogs, I'm not sure what? I can't find any info online.....sigh...if anyone knows feel free to pm me or post...I'm distraught, had a horrible delivery of these pups and now I have to bottle feed. Plus the stud owner is going crazy.

I'm thinking any contract lawyer would do. What was the original agreement for the stud services? I'm thinking it was a money fee paid upfront not a set number of puppies. Next unless each puppy is worth a mini fortune, the worst he can do is take you to small claims court. I would call his bluff and keep the puppies under lock an key. Then I would sell them as planned. If the plan included keeping them it might be a bit harder as the stud service owner knows where you are.
If it goes to court it will come down to the original agreement, hopefully in writing with signatures or what is typically considered a fair payment for stud services. If the pups are not his but he is claiming his dog serviced your dog, I'm sure there is still a payment due. The pups being sired at a different time would work in your favor if the stud services produced no pups. But if your dog just happened to get mated by a different male dog then the stud service owner still gets payment. Still the use of a stud service does not promise pups and sometimes a second meet is offered if the first does not take. Typically all of that is covered in a contract.

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

Ah, I always find myself regretting when I make a heated post before breakfast. Clearly my sleep deprived, low-blood-sugar addled mind translated 'more animal-sensitive' to 'more caring of one's animals'. Ah. Well.

Anyway, to reply to some of the later things, Hoosiercheetah, I find myself having a difficult time believing you entirely after those stories about your flock you had posted some weeks ago.

Birdylady, it's as the quote goes. The more people I meet, the more I like my chickens. (Okay, I may have made a slight edit to it. )

And Sally, I must say, I have nothing but the utmost respect for those willing to raise their own meat. At least in my mind, to raise one's own meat as a meat eater is the ultimate in considering the welfare of the large majority of domesticated animals in the country. But that's something I consider strongly when purchasing meat, and I recognize that not everyone does think of it in the same way. Still, it really bugs me when pet chicken people heckle those that do raise their own meat. On a Facebook group I'm part of, one that for the most part I enjoy, there is the occasional post on the topic that puts raising meat animals in a negative light. There was even a post a month or two back that was calling someone horrible for butchering a Silkie--implying that Silkies are somehow better than birds bred specifically for meat! That kind of thinking is what puts crazy chicken ladies like me seem so hypocritical to many serious chicken keepers. Anyway, I digress.


I'm gonna go hide for a few days. Unless my ducky hatches, in which case I will pretend this never happened by overloading the thread with baby ducky pictures.

 

[Mother2Hens]

I don't think you can say that, actually. Most of us on this thread are quite animal-sensitive, at least from my observations. That's why I think even though we are all from Indiana, there has always been a core group of agreeable users that stick around here. We all have our different ways of raising our birds, but I think for the most part we all love our birds just as much as the next person. I mean, just because I don't physically feel what my animals suffer does not mean I don't empathize, that I don't care as much about them, and the same goes for everyone else. I don't know, I just feel as if this was rather insensitive to post.

But maybe that's just me.

Sensitive and Love are two different words
I certainly did not mean for my post to convey that Kab and I love animals more than anyone else. I won't speak for Kab anymore, but personally I meant that in my inherent traits, I am overly sensitive about animals in distress. I would love to be more involved in animal rights (than just sending a check), but I become haunted and depressed by photos and videos of mistreatment. I wish I could be stronger, but I was born that way.

I am not capable of killing an animal even a chicken predator or for food purposes. I've mentioned many times on this thread that I admire those who are able to process their own animals to ensure healthful food, but personally, I could never do it. Admitting that I could never do it doesn't mean that I think that those who do process don't love their animals as much as I do. From participating on this thread for over a year, I know that people who process do very much love their animals as much as those of us who have them as pets.

 

[silkieaddictIN]

Try this and see if any will help. I don't know of any personally
http://www.justia.com/lawyers/animal-dog-law/indiana/indianapolis


Thank you!! Will be calling!!

I'm thinking any contract lawyer would do.  What was the original agreement for the stud services?  I'm thinking it was a money fee paid upfront not a set number of puppies.   Next unless each puppy is worth a mini fortune, the worst he can do is take you to small claims court.  I would call his bluff and keep the puppies under lock an key.  Then I would sell them as planned.  If the plan included keeping them it might be a bit harder as the stud service owner knows where you are.

If it goes to court it will come down to the original agreement, hopefully in writing with signatures or what is typically considered a fair payment for stud services.  If the pups are not his but he is claiming his dog serviced your dog, I'm sure there is still a payment due.  The pups being sired at a different time would work in your favor if the stud services produced no pups.  But if your dog just happened to get mated by a different male dog then the stud service owner still gets payment.  Still the use of a stud service does not promise pups and sometimes a second meet is offered if the first does not take.  Typically all of that is covered in a contract.

I am 95% sure his dog is infertile now... and that these pups are my males.
I'm wondering if dna test will be required by the courts? It is a little expensive...

No contract, have texts stating agreement.

I'm willing to pay the stud fee, Wich was agreed was the profit of a puppy sold.

His dog also received superficial scratches while staying here to breed, he chewed my fence apart, literally. The scratches healed after a little under a month and the owner is accusing me of letting my other dog, a male, attack him...Wich is impossible because my male was not even near his dog and the female and his dog were never alone (she wouldn't have regardless). He never took his dog to the vet.

I'm very willing to pay the stud fee, regardless of everyrhing and even the price of "full value" of his dog, for the injuries (I went to put nu stock on the so called scars .. And the owner couldn't even find them.....because, there were none....)
But stud owner is known for a temper and just keeps screaming court.
I don't mind going, just re checking and researching on what the outcome may be/etc. Sigh lol.
It irks me when people jump to rush to court, even when the other person is 100% willing to meet half way.

He knows where I live, Wich is unsettling, and also is threatening to spread rumors to my family and my husband that he literally made up while we were discussing this whole ordeal.

 

[SallyinIndiana]

Ah, I always find myself regretting when I make a heated post before breakfast. Clearly my sleep deprived, low-blood-sugar addled mind translated 'more animal-sensitive' to 'more caring of one's animals'. Ah. Well.

Anyway, to reply to some of the later things, Hoosiercheetah, I find myself having a difficult time believing you entirely after those stories about your flock you had posted some weeks ago.

Birdylady, it's as the quote goes. The more people I meet, the more I like my chickens. (Okay, I may have made a slight edit to it.

)

And Sally, I must say, I have nothing but the utmost respect for those willing to raise their own meat. At least in my mind, to raise one's own meat as a meat eater is the ultimate in considering the welfare of the large majority of domesticated animals in the country. But that's something I consider strongly when purchasing meat, and I recognize that not everyone does think of it in the same way. Still, it really bugs me when pet chicken people heckle those that do raise their own meat. On a Facebook group I'm part of, one that for the most part I enjoy, there is the occasional post on the topic that puts raising meat animals in a negative light. There was even a post a month or two back that was calling someone horrible for butchering a Silkie--implying that Silkies are somehow better than birds bred specifically for meat!

That kind of thinking is what puts crazy chicken ladies like me seem so hypocritical to many serious chicken keepers. Anyway, I digress.


I'm gonna go hide for a few days.

Unless my ducky hatches, in which case I will pretend this never happened by overloading the thread with baby ducky pictures.

don't go into hiding. I thought your post as well as the one by M2H both made sense.
Your post was pointing out that we really don't have any known mistreatment of chickens in our thread group ~ so no rooster fighting on Friday nights.
And I have to agree so far everyone that I have seen on here is against treating a chicken badly. The trick becomes how one defines bad treatment, it is different for everyone. Clearly for M2H, culling is a rehoming process. But for others it might be a weak attempt at rehoming before the next processing day. For me, processing is part of raising chickens. But I will say Dh and I have not even had second thoughts about telling others that we won't process their birds. Processing can take a mental toll and we will do it only enough to feed our family or maintain our flock at acceptable rooster levels.

 

[hoosiercheetah]

Hoosiercheetah, I find myself having a difficult time believing you entirely after those stories about your flock you had posted some weeks ago.

3/4 of everything I say is nonsense or inflammatory attention-seeking bluster. The other 1/4 is the stark, naked truth of my very soul, which I will gleefully pour out in front of perfect strangers. The game is figuring out which is which. You are the prize, and when you know what that means, you've almost won. Almost. ;-)

 

[SallyinIndiana]

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From what I'm reading or the way that I'm reading it, it sounds like his threats keep getting worse but no action on his part has been made. I would pay the fee and tell him if he wants more to take it to court. As for the rumors, point out that your family is yours. Use the whole blood is thicker than water and why should my family believe one word of a rumor. I would get a nice print off of the texts but without his signature be preparred to hear him say you fabricated the texts. Maybe the phone company can provide you a list of times and numbers of texting to at least back up the date time stamps of the texts. If the dog was hurt on your property, it stands to reason that the dog owner would still need to produce proof of the injury as well as the cost to medicate the dog.
Best wishes