Insight needed on multiple hens gaping.

Kyle83

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Like the title says, I have seen three out of my four one year old hens gaping. I’ll do my best here to stick to the info asked for:

1: All my girls are Plymouth Barred Rocks. Three of the four weigh 5lbs, one weighs in at 6lbs.
2. I’ve noticed the gaping, no wheezing or other sounds present with it, and more than usual head shaking. Occasional rare sneeze (sometimes with clear watery fluid). Pale combs here and there, but when I pet them they go back to normal. I’m thinking that could be the heat + brooding. They do get electrolytes and vitamins added to water.
3. It began about a week and a half ago. A day after my new chicks arrived; no exposure to them. And no cross contamination as my son handles the chicks.
4. It started with the family favorite Sunny, and then started appearing in the other girls. I can’t monitor them 24/7, but I’ll usually sit with them for 30 mins, or so morning and night. Rosie is still occasionally doing this. Literally once and done.
5. No trauma. Thoroughly inspected, but they are ALL broody currently.
6. The only thing that changed environmentally was a new dust bath, and the chicks had arrived. I know they could hear the chicks.
7. They’re eating and drinking habits haven’t changed. Layer pellet feed with proper amount of crushed granite mixed in, clean water daily, mealworm treats, cucumbers and zucchini fresh from the garden (cleaned).
8. Slightly runny poop, but not much.
9. I started them immediately on a dewormer because I was suspecting gape worm and it was that time anyways. They have a second dose coming up this week. I also used a homemade “remedy” of garlic, ginger, oregano seeds, cayenne, fennel, and honey. They seem to enjoy it and either the dewormer, or that has reduced symptoms.
10. I want to treat this at home and I feel like I’m going in the right direction, but I don’t like that I’m still seeing it some.
12. Their current bedding is large kiln dried pine shavings, but I’m switching it out to hemp this week. Their run is concrete. And their dust bath is a mixture of DE, wood ash from oak,

All that said, I have a Denegard, Tylan200, and Safeguard at my disposal. I was initially concerned about CRD, but I prefer to go the natural route when possible. I’d also note that their crops are normal, but I didn’t check initially.

So I have three questions floating in my head here that I’m hoping I can get some insight on.

1.) With what info I’ve given, best educated guesses what I’m dealing with?

2.) Is there anything more I should do to get ahead of this? I’ve considered giving them the Tylan, or Denegard, but I don’t want to over treat. Though the head shaking makes me think I should just to knock out anything that may be lingering.

3.) Has anyone else been suspect of DE causing temporary respiratory issues with their birds? I’ve used DE for years with dogs and even myself internally and externally. However, the timing seems highly coincidental.

Thanks for any insight; I know that’s a bit of a read.
 
Bingo on the new dust bath. When I got to "DE mix", that was a light bulb moment. DE is corrosive to delicate respiratory membranes. It happens to be highly touted just about on every chicken forum, but it's dangerous to any living thing that happens to engage in breathing. You included.

Also, you mentioned "heat". If it's been in the 80s and 90s, chickens will gape their beaks to get rid of excess heat. Have you inspected crops? How about inspecting throats for any obstructions or mucous?

Be careful with electrolytes. Extensive use of them when not needed to replenish electrolyte balances during very hot weather can lead to buildup of salts in the tissues and that can have long term consequences.
 
Good to know on the electrolytes. It’s been miserably hot here. We’ve been sitting in the mid 80s to low 90s for the past week. I have a fan in their run to keep flying insects down and keep them cool. Also have an ice maker and I’m giving them ice regularly.

I’ve checked their ears, mouth, and beaks. Everything looks normal. As far as I can see no obstructions.
 
Newbie here, what does DE stand for?
Diatomaceous earth. It’s been used for ages as a natural dewormer. You need to specifically by “food grade.” Also makes a wonderful face mask 🥴 However, I understood how in theory it could be good in a dust bath.... but also that it could potentially be hazardous.
 
Well... I went to bed last night thinking my girls were doing better. This morning was a wake up call. No coughing, sneezing, mucus, etc, but one of the girls had a bloody nose, another I suspect she may have. So I’m concerned with ILT. All four were gaping and acting lethargic. My dominant hen was roosting in the run, but kept tucking her head under her wing to sleep; all had fairly pale combs. I started them on Denagard around lunch. Checked a little bit ago and spirits all seem up, head shaking is down, and no gaping for the :30 minutes I sat with them. I’m guessing their reaction to Denagard rules out my initial thought about gapeworm, but it also makes me question; is ILT treatable with Denagard? Any insight/prayers appreciated.
 
I know this an old post but I need help. My 13 week old Silkies are doing everything u described here! I'm treating for worms(I thought gape worm too)with ivermectioin and Corid because I thought it was Cocci. But what's so weird is they are in my house in a clean dog pen. Since I got them 3 weeks ago
Now my out side small flock (6) is sick and it came on fast overnight. Not like my chicks it was a week and a half after the first symptoms. First spitting up clear mucus. Constantly shaking its head ,scratching at its self and pruning constantly like there were parasites. In my baby silkies they had yellow foam poop, or strait white mucus poo. So did u ever find out what was happening with ur flock? Also the gaping and stretching the neck a lot. Really pail combs in my big birds.
I just really need to know what was going on with ur chickens please.
 
I know this an old post but I need help. My 13 week old Silkies are doing everything u described here! I'm treating for worms(I thought gape worm too)with ivermectioin and Corid because I thought it was Cocci. But what's so weird is they are in my house in a clean dog pen. Since I got them 3 weeks ago
Now my out side small flock (6) is sick and it came on fast overnight. Not like my chicks it was a week and a half after the first symptoms. First spitting up clear mucus. Constantly shaking its head ,scratching at its self and pruning constantly like there were parasites. In my baby silkies they had yellow foam poop, or strait white mucus poo. So did u ever find out what was happening with ur flock? Also the gaping and stretching the neck a lot. Really pail combs in my big birds.
I just really need to know what was going on with ur chickens please.
A video of the birds and their actions may be helpful.

Photos of housing, birds, their poop, etc. would be good too.

Where are you located in the world?
What do you feed including treats?
Do you provide grit?

Look them over for lice/mites, inside the ears for mites or infection (ears should be clean inside). Make sure crops are emptying overnight.

How's the ventilation in your outside coop - has anything changed, new bedding, new feed, anything moldy?

Let's make sure we are understanding. You have new chicks, had them for 3 weeks. Chicks were sick first? And now your existing flock is sick? Is this correct?
Did you change clothes between tending to the separate "flocks"?

Ivermectin may help with external parasites if given at the correct dose, but it will not treat Gapeworm. Fenbendazole (Safeguard) dosed at 0.23ml per pound of weight given orally once a day for 5 days will treat Gapeworm.
Symptoms of Gapeworm is constant gaping, coughing, sneezing, slinging the head, not eating or drinking. Bird is in a state of distress.

If symptoms in the existing flock has occurred after you brought in the newbies, then likely you are dealing with respiratory disease. Hard to know which one, but you can try an antibiotic like Tylosin to see if symptoms improve. Keep in mind that most respiratory diseases make birds carriers for life even if they recover from symptoms.
 

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