I use a platform to set my waterer and feeder on and never have a problem. I'm gone about 11 hrs a day, so I can't refresh it during the day. The water is real low in the jar and no shavings in the water all day. I have 11 chicks using it. I added a horizontal nipple waterer after a week this time I had a couple using it. They are 3 1/2 weeks old and about half use the nipples now.

