International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

@Chooks man Completely unrelated to Marans, I have a speckled sussex cockerel I had planned on using as a breeder in the spring. I never noticed before but yesterday I saw that he has one normal wattle and one tiny under developed wattle (like a pullet). Would this knock him out as a breeder? He is perfect otherwise.

I will call him One Wattle.

yeah i ll breed from him if he have a lot good quality .make sure the hen face /head is perfect ( comb. wattle.size ).

this sort of thing could be bred out very quickly 2 generation max

One wattle mated a good face hen will give you a 2 wattles son s to replace him .

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

awesome

Many many thanks to you for taking the time to write all this out.

This is so nice, selection truly is the key, and not being afraid to try.

So this is line breeding. Can I follow this plan with cattle? This is the reason why I'm following this thread, not just for the chicken breeding, but also to use this knowledge in my cattle breeding too.

I bought the bulls and cows that carry the N Bar brand. But that old man is dead. I've studied the paper breeding for years. Now I need to carry his 42 year old breeding program forward. Because he is gone. This is valuable knowledge because the modern cattleman is only taught to outcross. And most are scared of line breeding.

I believe in line breeding and want to do it properly. And thanks to you I have a much better chance to do honor to that old man's program and not mess up what he put into place.

I admire you for taking care of a 42 years work. I don't mind if from time to time you write posts about cattle. I enjoy reading!

 

[chickengr]

that alright . most of the time we are forced to work with a fault not because we like it.

just we have to find a way to go around it that all.

I m just sharing my knowledge and work with you guys I do consider my self teacher . No no . just a friend who get his head around genetic that all .

I m working with a true genetic professor in few project in this country most of them are Cattle , Dairy and Sheep project . So I m a student too.

chooks man

good students can always teach beginners! I am a preschool!

 

[Chooks man]

good students can always teach beginners! I am a preschool!

when we are students we can lear /and teach each other BUT when we become teachers who we are going to teach .

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

we created this domestic animal .No really us but good breeders before us , we are struggling to keep them going never mind creating them .

some thing we have to understand .when we work with a fault we have to accept we are going to hatch a good number and we are going to cull quite a lot for a first few years of the breeding program.

I only kept 5% of the chooks I bred last year . So it is not a walk in the park can go hard some time .

Good breeding program can do magic for sure .

chooks man

I count on keeping 5% of the birds as I am short of space.

BTW, I have just weighed luna, she is 1,9 kg at 4,5 months old. I suspect tapeworms. what should be her weight?

 

[chickengr]

when we are students we can lear /and teach each other BUT when we become teachers who we are going to teach .

chooks man

don't worry, I gave up my university degree in teaching because I discovered I don't like teaching. so you will be my teacher as long as you want to!

 

[Red Banks]

We are all students and in one way or another we are all teachers.

 

[Red Banks]

I have to go to work now. I would like to stay right here and chat. Today is my birthday. I don't think anyone should have to work on their birthday. Oh well.... it is the ONLY day of the week that I work.

 

[Chooks man]

awesome

Many many thanks to you for taking the time to write all this out.

This is so nice, selection truly is the key, and not being afraid to try.

So this is line breeding. Can I follow this plan with cattle? This is the reason why I'm following this thread, not just for the chicken breeding, but also to use this knowledge in my cattle breeding too.

I bought the bulls and cows that carry the N Bar brand. But that old man is dead. I've studied the paper breeding for years. Now I need to carry his 42 year old breeding program forward. Because he is gone. This is valuable knowledge because the modern cattleman is only taught to outcross. And most are scared of line breeding.

I believe in line breeding and want to do it properly. And thanks to you I have a much better chance to do honor to that old man's program and not mess up what he put into place.

All cool with me. i breed cattle too .
I m working on a lot cattle/ dairy breeding project.

Friend of mine created his French dairy line from one bull imported as embryo . he used him over the Oz Red Dairy . he is on 3 rd generation of inbreeding , his cattle still have vigor and productivity ..

So you chances are higher because you have a cow and a bull . I don t see what you can t keep the line pure and going strong .
I ll use a bull more to create many son /daughters
every body is interested is crossing because of the nature of the hybrid vigor , they are not doing any thing if they are not establishing line and stable crosses .

I ll send you a privet message about the diagram of line breeding with a pure bred bull and cow.

Chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I have to go to work now. I would like to stay right here and chat. Today is my birthday. I don't think anyone should have to work on their birthday. Oh well.... it is the ONLY day of the week that I work.

Happy Birthday RedBank .

have a nice day.

chooks man