International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

Blade , son of Day Walker over Shiva s .he is Shiva Shanti true brother . stunning copper and strong body type big rooster with great comb .he is BLC split red . he will be mated to BLC hens ,they really some copper added to them .
chooks man

 

[Punkybrewster]

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Blade , son of Day Walker over Shiva s .he is Shiva Shanti true brother . stunning copper and strong body type big rooster with great comb .he is BLC split red . he will be mated to BLC hens ,they really some copper added to them .
chooks man

They are stunning even in molt.

 

[Chooks man]

here a splash copper cockerel from Khabib s I m keeping my eyes on him and his brother . both are really big ,correct long and wide body type .early feathering type , this short well feathers legs without been too much .very fast grower .

chooks man

 

[Minky]

Chooks man-Thanks for your input on my chicks more coming this weekend.

Do splash chicks ever have black beaks? I bought 3 splash all one week apart. I know older one is cockerel, think 2nd is also cockerel. Hoping 3rd is pullet. But they all have yellow beaks.

I had no idea that roosters moult!! I dont think I've ever noticed a rooster moult.....

 

[Minky]

Well, all my chicks have feathers on their middle toes. Not a lot of feathers, but some fluff. Now, this is weird, because my hens and the rooster all have clean middle toes and light feathering on the outside toe only.
Could these tiny downy feathers drop off ?? I have not seen any vulture hocks on any of my adult birds.
Got one white chick from my BCM roo and BCM hen. This time it made it out of its shell. (the last one did not). I think I even got a couple of pullets this time.

 

[Chooks man]

Well, all my chicks have feathers on their middle toes. Not a lot of feathers, but some fluff. Now, this is weird, because my hens and the rooster all have clean middle toes and light feathering on the outside toe only.
Could these tiny downy feathers drop off ?? I have not seen any vulture hocks on any of my adult birds.
Got one white chick from my BCM roo and BCM hen. This time it made it out of its shell. (the last one did not). I think I even got a couple of pullets this time.

let them grow and see if they breeders do not carry any vulture hocks , hope not,
any sign of any feathers on the middle toes mean excess of leg feathering genes.
chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

got a call from Troy s telling me 20 chicks hatched so far from 40 good eggs . Khabib .CTB and Enki s babies . we passed the number we where hopping for and still have 20 more egg hatching and 2 full incubator . I think we are going be well stocked . happy about that .
ordered some custom leg ring for them ,color selected for 2021 year is Black .
first pairing is done now ,in winter breeding season I will do different pairing .
have high demand for Khabib s and CTB fertile eggs .peoples here in OZ forum like them a lot .I have passed few Dz do a friend of mine ,hatched about 16 of them ,he is well pleased . peoples want same eggs from this same pens .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

method to breed marans line of dark eggs layer .
for this method to work we need 2 dark eggs layer marans hens and one rooster . better for a rooster not to share any fault with a hens and not related to them . hens could be related better if not .
year 1 = mate a rooster to both hens ,mark they eggs and hatch Dz of chicks from each hen. we name this progeny F1 . we select a best pullets dark eggs layer F1H1 and F1H2 and we keep then aside , we select 1 best cockerel from each hen . F1H1 and F1H2 .

year 2 = we pen Hen 1 with F1H2 cockerel { 2nd hen son } .we hatch Dz we select a best few dark eggs layer pullets we keep aside and 1 best cockerel F2H1.
we do a same thing with hen 2 .
by the end we should have 2 best cockerels F2H1 and F2H2 , plus few nice dark eggs layer pullets as F2

year3 =we pen F2H2 cockerel to his grand dam Hen1 to produce BC1H1 pullets and cockerels .
we do a same thing with Hen2 and we get BC1H2 { Back crossing 1 hen 2}
by the end of the season we should have and keep only =
1} best F1H1 and H2 pullets only dark eggs layer for a long period .they will be over 2 years old ,great age to breed them
2} Best F2H1 and H2 pullets only DEL. a year old not ready to breed from .
3} best BC1H1 and H2 pullets . keeping only a best ones ,they should lay a darkest eggs when fully mature .
4} BC1H! and BC1H2 best cockerels ,2 of each will be nice .

year4 will be a first year to put together our lines from all the chicks we hatched last few years .
Pen1 = BC1H1 cockerels will be mated to F1H2 =this progeny will be line1 . we keep best pullets DEL and best cockerels = this progeny will be BC2H2.
Pen 2 = BC1H2 cockerels penned with F1H1 = this progeny will be line 2 . progeny BC2H1.
we can create as many line as we want .

year5 = we are getting more deep into stabilizing the lines .
pen 1 and pen 2 we can keep the a same . if we are happy with they progeny . we can sell them .
new pen will be.
Pen3 = we pen BC2H1 cockerel with F2H2 pullets we kept aside for 2 years now .
Pen4 = we do a same thing with BC2H2 cockerel with F2H1 pullets .

from now on we keep doing a same thing .we can more pen or reduce pens .
in this method we do not work with old roosters only young one ,but we work with older hens mature hens ,they are the ones who lay the eggs , no back crossing a sons to a Dams .

hope this information will help you guys .
chooks man

 

[Punkybrewster]

method to breed marans line of dark eggs layer .
for this method to work we need 2 dark eggs layer marans hens and one rooster . better for a rooster not to share any fault with a hens and not related to them . hens could be related better if not .
year 1 = mate a rooster to both hens ,mark they eggs and hatch Dz of chicks from each hen. we name this progeny F1 . we select a best pullets dark eggs layer F1H1 and F1H2 and we keep then aside , we select 1 best cockerel from each hen . F1H1 and F1H2 .

year 2 = we pen Hen 1 with F1H2 cockerel { 2nd hen son } .we hatch Dz we select a best few dark eggs layer pullets we keep aside and 1 best cockerel F2H1.
we do a same thing with hen 2 .
by the end we should have 2 best cockerels F2H1 and F2H2 , plus few nice dark eggs layer pullets as F2

year3 =we pen F2H2 cockerel to his grand dam Hen1 to produce BC1H1 pullets and cockerels .
we do a same thing with Hen2 and we get BC1H2 { Back crossing 1 hen 2}
by the end of the season we should have and keep only =
1} best F1H1 and H2 pullets only dark eggs layer for a long period .they will be over 2 years old ,great age to breed them
2} Best F2H1 and H2 pullets only DEL. a year old not ready to breed from .
3} best BC1H1 and H2 pullets . keeping only a best ones ,they should lay a darkest eggs when fully mature .
4} BC1H! and BC1H2 best cockerels ,2 of each will be nice .

year4 will be a first year to put together our lines from all the chicks we hatched last few years .
Pen1 = BC1H1 cockerels will be mated to F1H2 =this progeny will be line1 . we keep best pullets DEL and best cockerels = this progeny will be BC2H2.
Pen 2 = BC1H2 cockerels penned with F1H1 = this progeny will be line 2 . progeny BC2H1.
we can create as many line as we want .

year5 = we are getting more deep into stabilizing the lines .
pen 1 and pen 2 we can keep the a same . if we are happy with they progeny . we can sell them .
new pen will be.
Pen3 = we pen BC2H1 cockerel with F2H2 pullets we kept aside for 2 years now .
Pen4 = we do a same thing with BC2H2 cockerel with F2H1 pullets .

from now on we keep doing a same thing .we can more pen or reduce pens .
in this method we do not work with old roosters only young one ,but we work with older hens mature hens ,they are the ones who lay the eggs , no back crossing a sons to a Dams .

hope this information will help you guys .
chooks man

Yes. It helps but dang!
It sounds confusing.

But i am sure when doing this one step at a time it is easier.

I am writing this in my notebook.

 

[Punkybrewster]

method to breed marans line of dark eggs layer .
for this method to work we need 2 dark eggs layer marans hens and one rooster . better for a rooster not to share any fault with a hens and not related to them . hens could be related better if not .
year 1 = mate a rooster to both hens ,mark they eggs and hatch Dz of chicks from each hen. we name this progeny F1 . we select a best pullets dark eggs layer F1H1 and F1H2 and we keep then aside , we select 1 best cockerel from each hen . F1H1 and F1H2 .

year 2 = we pen Hen 1 with F1H2 cockerel { 2nd hen son } .we hatch Dz we select a best few dark eggs layer pullets we keep aside and 1 best cockerel F2H1.
we do a same thing with hen 2 .
by the end we should have 2 best cockerels F2H1 and F2H2 , plus few nice dark eggs layer pullets as F2

year3 =we pen F2H2 cockerel to his grand dam Hen1 to produce BC1H1 pullets and cockerels .
we do a same thing with Hen2 and we get BC1H2 { Back crossing 1 hen 2}
by the end of the season we should have and keep only =
1} best F1H1 and H2 pullets only dark eggs layer for a long period .they will be over 2 years old ,great age to breed them
2} Best F2H1 and H2 pullets only DEL. a year old not ready to breed from .
3} best BC1H1 and H2 pullets . keeping only a best ones ,they should lay a darkest eggs when fully mature .
4} BC1H! and BC1H2 best cockerels ,2 of each will be nice .

year4 will be a first year to put together our lines from all the chicks we hatched last few years .
Pen1 = BC1H1 cockerels will be mated to F1H2 =this progeny will be line1 . we keep best pullets DEL and best cockerels = this progeny will be BC2H2.
Pen 2 = BC1H2 cockerels penned with F1H1 = this progeny will be line 2 . progeny BC2H1.
we can create as many line as we want .

year5 = we are getting more deep into stabilizing the lines .
pen 1 and pen 2 we can keep the a same . if we are happy with they progeny . we can sell them .
new pen will be.
Pen3 = we pen BC2H1 cockerel with F2H2 pullets we kept aside for 2 years now .
Pen4 = we do a same thing with BC2H2 cockerel with F2H1 pullets .

from now on we keep doing a same thing .we can more pen or reduce pens .
in this method we do not work with old roosters only young one ,but we work with older hens mature hens ,they are the ones who lay the eggs , no back crossing a sons to a Dams .

hope this information will help you guys .
chooks man

Thank you for this @Chooks man