International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

Hi Everyone, long time lurker though I rarely post because I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing with BCM's. Then again, I feel like I have no idea about life in general so perhaps its this insecurity of not knowing


















that keeps me trying! I call upon you all for kind assistance in choosing a male for my flock. My previous male, I got rid of- he had an eye issue. The course of the issue occured while I was away at university so I didn't know enough about it's progression etc to feel confident keeping him around.

Anyways, I hatched these boys shortly after moving back from my dorm. I actually picked up the eggs in Connecticut on my way back from NYC where my school is. So the day I came back from grad school, these expensive little babies went in the incubator. The white wing feather is something I see a lot from different breeders. I have figured out you get the best pics when your phone battery is low and the screen dims, all the sudden everyone is cooperative.

Any opinions, thoughts, feedback is welcome. I did competitive sports so nothing you say could be too harsh, I take even harsh feedback constructively unlike most of my generation.

I waited till these boys got older just so I could get the best input. Please be as detailed as possible in your response because I might not understand otherwise.

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I am still learning but I will give it a shot. Redbanks, Chooksman, Braxton Brigade or other members that have been doing this longer are way better at this than I am and can help me out. They can correct me where I am wrong and where I have trouble. Thanks guys! :D

#1 is a good looking bird. He looks well balanced with his legs directly under his body in the center. In the first pic his tail seems pretty high, but not in the last. I suspect it will be high set as he matures (I am dealing with the same thing in one of my BCM groups). Paired with a lower tailed hen should correct that, no problem. His comb is free from side sprigs. I'm not great with combs, but I think the blade is supposed to be rounded and free from points or splits. The middle two points should also dip more in between. Other than that, it looks pretty good. Our mentor on this thread tells us not to worry too much about the combs on males. Combs come from the female in a mating. He has a nice long back and his copper is a rich even color. At his age his copper isn't in completely but I imagine he will not have a lack of color. No halo in his hackle so that is great. He hold his wing up against his body and not down at an angle. Leg color is good and of proper color. Has a good amount of leg feathering.

If you could get a side view of #2 I could tell more about his type, but his tail is nice and open from the back like a pyramid as it should look. He stands with his legs spaced well and is not knock kneed so that is good. Don't worry too much about the white in the wing right now, they are still babies and will molt out any stray white feathers as they mature. His copper looks nice and even also. I don't think you will have a lack of color at all with either of these 3 males. His leg feathering looks heavier than the first, but not overly so I think. Leg and eye color look good. No side sprigs on his comb. It looks like the blade of his comb comes straight up off his head instead of being rounded. But it's an okay comb in my novice opinion. He holds his wing up against his body and not downward so that is good.

#3 has what I think is a twisted comb? Like an S shape in the front? And is that arrow pointing to a side sprig? His type looks good with his legs directly under him in the center. His back is nice and long and I like his tail angle and length. Like the other 2, his copper is nice and even with no halo. Great leg feathering and leg color is good. His eyes look like they are the proper color for his age.

I think they all are all worth growing out to maturity. You can choose your main breeder or breeders and then keep a spare. There are no real deal breakers that I can see with any of them. Combs can be easily corrected when paired to a good combed female. Some people see a side sprig and tell you to run for the hills, but even a side sprigged cockerel can be worked with if he has good qualities otherwise.

If I have learned anything from this group, it would be to not be so quick to throw out a bird over a flaw here or there. All of our chickens have flaws, but flaws can be corrected and balanced out in the breeding pen. My goal is to take my flawed, less than perfect birds and carry them forward, improving them every year. Yes we will all encounter challenges along the way but with this thread and all the great folks here we can work through them. Sorry for sounding sappy. I just finished nursing school and I'm especially sappy today.

How did I do yall??
 
Hi Everyone, long time lurker though I rarely post because I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing with BCM's. Then again, I feel like I have no idea about life in general so perhaps its this insecurity of not knowing that keeps me trying! I call upon you all for kind assistance in choosing a male for my flock. My previous male, I got rid of- he had an eye issue. The course of the issue occured while I was away at university so I didn't know enough about it's progression etc to feel confident keeping him around. Anyways, I hatched these boys shortly after moving back from my dorm. I actually picked up the eggs in Connecticut on my way back from NYC where my school is. So the day I came back from grad school, these expensive little babies went in the incubator. The white wing feather is something I see a lot from different breeders. I have figured out you get the best pics when your phone battery is low and the screen dims, all the sudden everyone is cooperative. Any opinions, thoughts, feedback is welcome. I did competitive sports so nothing you say could be too harsh, I take even harsh feedback constructively unlike most of my generation. I waited till these boys got older just so I could get the best input. Please be as detailed as possible in your response because I might not understand otherwise. #1 #2 ,m 3 : note comb ,
@kfelton002 - nice job on your review. @baunlee.- The most important thing about the BCM Cockerel is his color and #1 and #2 have excellent rich copper coloring, deep red shoulders, dusky black lower body and nice orange eyes. #2 stands out to me as being slightly richer in color and he has good copper colored ear tufts which is important in adding coppper hackles to his female progeny. #1 ear tufts seem a little darker and he looks to have a high tail (greater than 45 degree angle). I cannot tell to much about the angle of #2's tail but it has a nice tent shape to it from behind. Better side pic would help us to see. All three have good type, size and conformation. None of their combs are great but no worries as the comb is inherited from the Hen so selective breeding can correct that issue. At this age, #3 does not stand out to me but he could mature into a nice bird. If it were me, I would breed #1 and #2 to hens with good combs and good type. All 3 cockerels still have maturing to do and will change a lot at 6, 12 and 18 months. I wouldn't worry too much about the white wing feathers as they are usually discarded with the first adult molt at about 18 months. If the white wing feathers remain after the first adult molt then you have a decision to make. Unless you have space issues I would keep more than one Cockerel for breeding so you can test mate to see which pairings give you the best chicks. Also, it is good to have a backup in case you lose one of your Cockerels - unfortunately bad things happen despite our best efforts. You have nice birds - I really like the rich copper color! Is that a Silver Birchen Cockerel in the pic with #2? He looks like a really nice bird too! Keith
 
@kfelton002 - nice job on your review.

@baunlee.- The most important thing about the BCM Cockerel is his color and #1 and #2 have excellent rich copper coloring, deep red shoulders, dusky black lower body and nice orange eyes. #2 stands out to me as being slightly richer in color and he has good copper colored ear tufts which is important in adding coppper hackles to his female progeny. #1 ear tufts seem a little darker and he looks to have a high tail (greater than 45 degree angle). I cannot tell to much about the angle of #2's tail but it has a nice tent shape to it from behind. Better side pic would help us to see. All three have good type, size and conformation. None of their combs are great but no worries as the comb is inherited from the Hen so selective breeding can correct that issue. At this age, #3 does not stand out to me but he could mature into a nice bird. If it were me, I would breed #1 and #2 to hens with good combs and good type. All 3 cockerels still have maturing to do and will change a lot at 6, 12 and 18 months. I wouldn't worry too much about the white wing feathers as they are usually discarded with the first adult molt at about 18 months. If the white wing feathers remain after the first adult molt then you have a decision to make. Unless you have space issues I would keep more than one Cockerel for breeding so you can test mate to see which pairings give you the best chicks. Also, it is good to have a backup in case you lose one of your Cockerels - unfortunately bad things happen despite our best efforts. You have nice birds - I really like the rich copper color! Is that a Silver Birchen Cockerel in the pic with #2? He looks like a really nice bird too!

Keith
I agree with Keith, I would keep 1 and 2 as long as 2's type is as good as the others. And like the previous post said, always keep a spare. The moment you cull down to one cockerel he might get sick, fall prey to a varmint, or whatever.. just because that's the way it goes. A side sprig can be worked with, but I would only use a side sprigged cockerel if I had no other choice. Why breed bad recessive genes on into your birds if you don't have to. I found an article on side sprigs just last night, coincidentally. It was written by a guy, new to Marans who had a difficulty culling side sprigs out of his chickens because the majority of the stock he grew out had them. Even though the parent stock the birds came from had no visible side sprigs, the recessive genes were there and showed up in the offspring. Anyway here is the article if anyone wants to read it. :)

http://www.maranschickenclubusa.com/files/Abnormal_Combs_Article.pdf
 
A few shots of Cooper. Not very good pics of him but its the best I could manage on my phone.
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gorgeous cockerel but bad photos making him look floppy .

great mass and great copper too .

chooks man
 
Hi Everyone, long time lurker though I rarely post because I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing with BCM's. Then again, I feel like I have no idea about life in general so perhaps its this insecurity of not knowing


















that keeps me trying! I call upon you all for kind assistance in choosing a male for my flock. My previous male, I got rid of- he had an eye issue. The course of the issue occured while I was away at university so I didn't know enough about it's progression etc to feel confident keeping him around.

Anyways, I hatched these boys shortly after moving back from my dorm. I actually picked up the eggs in Connecticut on my way back from NYC where my school is. So the day I came back from grad school, these expensive little babies went in the incubator. The white wing feather is something I see a lot from different breeders. I have figured out you get the best pics when your phone battery is low and the screen dims, all the sudden everyone is cooperative.

Any opinions, thoughts, feedback is welcome. I did competitive sports so nothing you say could be too harsh, I take even harsh feedback constructively unlike most of my generation.

I waited till these boys got older just so I could get the best input. Please be as detailed as possible in your response because I might not understand otherwise.

#1





#2
,m


3 : note comb


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cockerel 1 is your best .

comb you are far away from it .
need a hen with a great comb to breed to them .

you do have a type /mass and gorgeous copper .

cockerel 2 has a access of fluff on his thigh and his shanks .

cockerel 3 too much of a extended chest ( too much bird on the front )

chooks man
 
my luck is going to change .
I can hear some noise coming out of the hatcher . great news . I want to opened it to see but I m not going to do , bad habit .

I have to wait tell the evening to see .

happy man.
 
Hello i just purchased a black marans female pullet. Does anyone know how long till she can lay eggs? Dont know her exact age, i will upload a pic when get chance. Also, i introduced her to my flock in my coop but she got attacked by all my hens and rooster so i made a little place for her. Is this normal? Or will they attack and kill her.
 
Hello i just purchased a black marans female pullet. Does anyone know how long till she can lay eggs? Dont know her exact age, i will upload a pic when get chance. Also, i introduced her to my flock in my coop but she got attacked by all my hens and rooster so i made a little place for her. Is this normal? Or will they attack and kill her.
As early as 20-25 weeks or as late as 8 months. My oldest BCM pullets will be 7 months old in a week or so and still haven't laid their first egg yet. I fear they may make me wait and hold off until spring. They all have nice red combs and wattles but no signs of laying, although the oldest BCM cockerel in the pen is showing more interest in them. I was told by the breeder they take a little longer and are later maturing.

Be patient with her and watch her comb. A pullet's comb gets bigger and cherry red when she nears point of lay. We are in the wait for our first BCM eggs together! Post pics of her first egg when she lays it! So exciting. :D
 
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my luck is going to change .
I can hear some noise coming out of the hatcher . great news . I want to opened it to see but I m not going to do , bad habit .

I have to wait tell the evening to see .

happy man.


Wish you a good hatch Chooks Man! Keep us posted. In the next few weeks I'll be posting pics of my cockerels and pullets for recommendations on pairings for a spring hatch. I'm limited on grow out space so need to make the most of my pairings.

Keith
 
cockerel 1 is your best .

comb you are far away from it .
need a hen with a great comb to breed to them .

you do have a type /mass and gorgeous copper .

cockerel 2 has a access of fluff on his thigh and his shanks .

cockerel 3 too much of a extended chest ( too much bird on the front )

chooks man

Thanks everyone for your thoughtful comments!!! I put the roos in the order I thought best and so it's nice you all agree! 1-2-3! Roo 3 is a jerk anyways and he was scapegoated pretty much right away by the rest of the flock. These dynamics fascinate me at times. I will for sure let #1 grow out and post pics as he develops for the sake of documentation or whatever. I did not know the HEN DETERMINES COMB presentation. I will have to look at all my ladies and see how that goes. I'm not sure if I will keep #2 yet. Its nice to know I can come here for help
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