International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[KF0002]

Thank you for the detailed explanation!

I think I am just not accustomed to the words chooks man uses. I've always known lancet as saddle feathers and wind mirror as primary and secondary flight feathers. When I can't tell if I'm looking at a wheaton or a brown red I just look for the red triangle on the flight feathers

I've seen lancet used before an never really grasped what was meant by the term. I've even looked up definition of lancet in Google previously and still gave no clues! Lol But the term wing mirror I have never heard. Always learning to do! Thanks again!

Glad to know how to correct wrong underfluff color. I wonder if that's possible with blues? Maybe the underfluff can only be that lighter color because it is not black.

You're welcome.

With blue coppers, the blue is a diluted black so their underfluff isn't going to be as dark as a black copper. The underfluff should be greyish though I imagine and not white. I haven't owned any blue coppers yet, but I will be hatching some hopefully soon if my splash coppers keep laying.

 

[Chooks man]

I will try to bring them all in and get individual pictures of them as soon as I can. They seem to pose better for me on the kitchen counter. lol

Here are a couple of older pictures I have posted previously on this thread of one of the pullets he is with. She has not started laying yet. She has filled out a lot since these pictures. The other Marans pullets he is with are splash coppers.

she is nice and go with him well except for the tail .both have square tail .so will be some work for you to breed a pointed thin tail described by the French Standard .but she will add some length on the back .

love to see you pair him with a pointed tail ( thin the way it should be ) hen/pullet . and longer flat back .

he is good to be used over the splash hens to produce Blue copper . they will nicely marked ( most of them ). this splash hen need to have a nicer comb too

here the description of the Ideal hen for Mud .
1) big hen with a wide shoulder and deep chest
2) long flat back.
3) thin pointed tail.
4) nice comb.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

So if one does have to breed with lighter underfluff, how do you go about eliminating it? You say it's very difficult so I am curious.

Also, what is a 'wing mirror' that you mentioned in your critique of Mud?

And, what is a lancet?

Thank you!

good question how to eliminate the white under fluff .

need to breed with a darker under fluff and select from the next generation .

the Blue strain carry a lot of white under fluff .specially the one they derive from a Splashes cross to a blue .

Genetic does not favor the Blue genes .that why is not a true breeding gene .

I said it many time we have to select chick almost black or Blue not Penguiny type with a lot of white on they faces

the Blue should have a lighter blue/grayish under fluff
the Black copper should have a black /dark gray .under fluff SPECIALLY the ROOSTERS

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: Thanks Karen, always enjoy reading your informative posts. Their tails and combs are pretty bad and Chooks Man is right. I have their sons and they are much nicer. I will practice what I preach though and post better pictures.

 

[KF0002]

she is nice and go with him well except for the tail .both have square tail .so will be some work for you to breed a pointed thin tail described by the French Standard .but she will add some length on the back .

love to see you pair him with a pointed tail ( thin the way it should be ) hen/pullet . and longer flat back .

he is good to be used over the splash hens to produce Blue copper . they will nicely marked ( most of them ). this splash hen need to have a nicer comb too

here the description of the Ideal hen for Mud .
1) big hen with a wide shoulder and deep chest
2) long flat back.
3) thin pointed tail.
4) nice comb.

chooks man

Thanks for the advice! I'm limited to the one pullet from that line for now unfortunately. I would love to have more pullets to work with this spring.

 

[bullets]

I have to bring up the underfluff color again.

So the brown red types should have black underfluff. Blues will not have black underfluff as they are black dilute and do not breed true. So is it a concern when blues have lighter colored underfluff than the outercolor? Is it just a part of the color variety?

Brown red should have black underfluff but what about wheatons?

 

[Red Banks]

I have to bring up the underfluff color again.

So the brown red types should have black underfluff. Blues will not have black underfluff as they are black dilute and do not breed true. So is it a concern when blues have lighter colored underfluff than the outercolor? Is it just a part of the color variety?

Brown red should have black underfluff but what about wheatons?

http://www.maranschickenclubusa.com/Wheatenvariety.html

 

[3riverschick]

http://4chicky.myfreesites.net/
https://www.backyardchickens.com/u/249441/dheltzel

Just an aside,
I was surfing another breed and cam across this BYCer with a small operation and looks like some nice birds including Legbars. The website is obscurely positioned but looks like the owner went to good effort to find good lines.
Best,
Karen

 

[Braxton Brigade]

Some informal pictures of my 11 week old group.
A few of the girls have good color on their hackles, I will be taking some proper photos of the best looking ones quite soon.







In about a week I will be letting them out to forage. They were just moved into a new coop so they need some time to recognize this coop as "home" before I start letting them loose.

 

[KF0002]

I have to bring up the underfluff color again.

So the brown red types should have black underfluff. Blues will not have black underfluff as they are black dilute and do not breed true. So is it a concern when blues have lighter colored underfluff than the outercolor? Is it just a part of the color variety?

Brown red should have black underfluff but what about wheatons?

Wheatens have white underfluff.