International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[KF0002]

I read somewhere (not sure if it was on this forum) a flock raiser ran numbers on using an incubator and a broody. The broody produced way more pullets. I wish I could find the study. The only thing I would think could discredit it would be if there were different cocks involved. Maybe one cock or one gen passes on more of a gender? Would have to experiment. Pretty sure there is a fine collection here that could toy with that if you have Broodies. I have one and plan to try this experiment myself just may take some time to do so. I'll let ya know.

I love using broodies when I have them. Our Games are relentless broodies in the warmer months, and I have some Leghorn hybrids that wanted to set all last summer. I plan on utilizing every broody I can this year to hatch and raise chicks. The hen determines sex of the chicks, though. However, if there are a large number of roosters in a flock a hen may produce more pullets in an attempt to even out the numbers. It would be a cool research study.

 

[Hensndoes]

Thank you! Your girl is lovely too, and looks a lot like mine. My birds are Jill Rees line also from GFF. Their eggs are a greenish blue, not totally blue but not totally green either. Legbars will most definitely look small in comparison to Marans, they are a lighter breed. My Legbars resemble my Games in weight more than my Marans and are a leaner bird in build. Type-wise they are more like the Brown Leghorns that are in their genetic makeup. The Cream Legbar Club's website has the SOP for Cream Legbars, Crele Legbars, and White Legbars. You can print them out and read over them. They haven't been admitted by the APA yet but they will be hopefully soon. I will still be showing my Legbars to support the breed and get them out there.

There are several Cream Legbar groups on facebook you can join also. I have learned a lot from them. Good luck!

I started a thread here and posted sop but it never got traction. I'm struggling whether to get a legbar roo. I'm going to end up with marans Roos regardless but will have 2 coops this year (2nd is being built in my nonexistent free time). Chester is a very gently roo unless you pick up his girls so I kinda think he can house with another too.... it's too bad we have the predators we do or I would just buy farm store coops or slap something up. I have to fully fortify the chit. Skirt and all. Gonna take a bear - got them too but the herding dogs do a good job.

 

[Chooks man]

I read somewhere (not sure if it was on this forum) a flock raiser ran numbers on using an incubator and a broody. The broody produced way more pullets. I wish I could find the study. The only thing I would think could discredit it would be if there were different cocks involved. Maybe one cock or one gen passes on more of a gender? Would have to experiment. Pretty sure there is a fine collection here that could toy with that if you have Broodies. I have one and plan to try this experiment myself just may take some time to do so. I'll let ya know.

when come to chooks the hen is in charge of the male Sex chromosome .she is WZ and the Rooster is ZZ .
the rooster always passes the Z chromosome but the mama hen can passes the Z chromosome for Cockerel or W chromosome for pullets.

chooks man

 

[KF0002]

Spring is a best season to hatch a future breeders .a weather is good for them .

your CLbPullet is stunning . great show specimen . she ll make you proud

chooks man

Thank you! She is the oldest pullet I have. The younger pullet in the brooder is her full sister, but she is only 2 months old or so. She is looking really nice too. I haven't brought the youngsters out to the big pen yet for fear of losing them to all the rain we have had. I will get them out soon.

My Legbars have proven to be approximately 90% accurate with auto-sexing, the other 10% are ambiguous pullets at hatch and look more male but turn out to be female. I have been wing banding them all and will only use the pullets that had correct hatch down for future breeders.

 

[Hensndoes]

when come to chooks the hen is in charge of the male Sex chromosome .she is WZ and the Rooster is ZZ .
the rooster always passes the Z chromosome but the mama hen can passes the Z chromosome for Cockerel or W chromosome for pullets.

chooks man

Thank you!!!

 

[KF0002]

I started a thread here and posted sop but it never got traction. I'm struggling whether to get a legbar roo. I'm going to end up with marans Roos regardless but will have 2 coops this year (2nd is being built in my nonexistent free time). Chester is a very gently roo unless you pick up his girls so I kinda think he can house with another too.... it's too bad we have the predators we do or I would just buy farm store coops or slap something up. I have to fully fortify the chit. Skirt and all. Gonna take a bear - got them too but the herding dogs do a good job.

Nonexistent free time.. I hear that. I have got so much to do, I would have to clone myself several times in order to get everything done. I wouldn't attempt to bring in another rooster with Chester and his hens. You will be asking for bloodshed. Two brothers or brood mates that grow up together is one thing and can usually co-exist with minimal injuries, but bringing in an outsider male that is unfamiliar will cause a lot of fighting for the alpha position. If you get Legbars, build them their own coop. In all of your nonexistent free time, you know!

 

[KF0002]

the young group . going to the new pullets house when finished
View attachment 1278256 salmon .white and wheaten pullets/cockerels.8 weeks old
the white one is beauty .she is a recessive white .a grand daughter of White Storm .so she will be named a First Lady Storm FLS. more to come this breding seasom looking forward to it .

chooks man

Beautiful babies! Oh I love the little recessive white!

 

[Red Banks]

Aww thank you for saying that! You're a winner too my dear friend!

I don't feel much like a winner after today. We have had so much setback this winter raising chicks from my Legbars and Marans. I just looked through the younger chicks in the brooders, and I have exactly ZERO black copper pullets and only 2 blue copper pullets. The rest are cockerels, approximately 6-8 of them. I only have one Cream Legbar pullet, but she is a really good looking one at least. I only have 4 black copper pullets free ranging from my fall hatches. But there is still spring and summer to raise chicks, so all is not lost. I need to get cracking if I am going to raise some nice decent birds for the shows I want to attend to this fall.

That legbar pullet is really nice and the pullets you do have are so nice! Maybe we can exchange eggs again. I need an FRF cockerel. I walked out to the coop today and I swear every cockerels tail was at a 45 or lower but...... I need a cockerel from my line from outside.

 

[Red Banks]

take it easy guys .you don t need to be hard neither soft on your self or your flock when come to selecting you future chooks breeders .

you need to have a formula ( a same as a judges do at the show) each trait have a point. the chooks with more point at the end of the day is a keeper .

here my formula;
1- Body type = Rectangular R=5 .Square S=0. Triangular T=0
2) Body carriage = long and Elegante LE=5 . Long and thin LT= 2. sloppy S=0
3) mass= thick and Heavy TH= 5 . Thin and light TL=0
5) body color = Well colored ( all the pattern are there .hackle ,saddle .lancet and shoulder) WC =5 .Absence of a Shoulder Marking ASM= 3 .
6) Head = Comb .wattle .eyes color .Ears lobe color .beak =2.5
7) Tail = shape/angle/length =3
8) Feet = Tall .Short . Feathered .Color =2
9) plumage/under fluff type = 2.5

9 post total of 30 points .
with this formula it is easier for me to evaluate the chooks properly and fairly ( no favorite ) if 2 or more score a same points,than I move to a more complex formula . I ll look at the little details .

hope this will help

chooks man

I love this..... I will use it on the cockerels.

 

[Red Banks]

I sold almost all (kept 2 because I couldn't catch them) of my CLB, Ameraucanas and Bielefelders. My CLB were Jill Rees, very nice and the eggs were a light mint color. I bought them from GFF on sale for $15 a chick. Good layers, quiet. The predators loved them..... just the right size.