International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Magnolia Hill]

you are wrong they are nice BCM cockerel just need to find a pullet from a same line . I like them they have a lot going on for them ,they are just young and you can t choose a cockerel if you don t have a hen/pullets to match him too.
like walking blind .

Rooster can be great but if we don t have to pair him too than is a bad luck we can pair him to any other breed .

chooks man

I appreciate that. I was nervous about them. im going to get 4 more chick's this weekend from the same flock as the ones I got now so I'm hoping I get a pullet or 2.

 

[Magnolia Hill]

I need to learn about breeding, I've heard you can run different colors with pure BCM roosters and still get BCM. Is that true?

 

[Red Banks]

Quote:
It sounds like you may be able to get some more chicks that are of the same line.... Chooks man mentioned that in the post below. You want pullets from the same line. Don't be afraid and don't worry.... you are in good hands and have lots of support here. It is early and you have time to make a plan, nature of course always has a plan of it's own but you can line up small goals such as getting these 4 chicks and praying for pullets! LOL Chooks man is the only person I know that doesn't care how many roosters he has. If there is one thing I have learned it is to settle down and really think about what I want to see in my BCMs and decide what it is going to take to get there. I say this all the time but Little Peddler has the finest BCM in the country, just my opinion mind you and she started with three birds. I have been chasing good BCM for two years and have gone thru many birds. Finally I realized I have to breed my own BCM to get what I want and that means starting with what I already have.

You are on your way!

you are wrong they are nice BCM cockerel just need to find a pullet from a same line . I like them they have a lot going on for them ,they are just young and you can t choose a cockerel if you don t have a hen/pullets to match him too.
like walking blind .

Rooster can be great but if we don t have to pair him too than is a bad luck we can pair him to any other breed .

chooks man

 

[Magnolia Hill]

I appreciate that, how do you start your own line though? other than having a couple birds to start with what would be the way to start. also I have seen the LP line of marans and I've also looked at bev davis marans too, they are amazing.

 

[Red Banks]

I appreciate that, how do you start your own line though? other than having a couple birds to start with what would be the way to start. also I have seen the LP line of marans and I've also looked at bev davis marans too, they are amazing.

Read post 1654..... it explains the process. Again you might want to read this thread..... you will find answers to a lot of your questions.

 

[Magnolia Hill]

Yeah Chickengr I ll explain to you to to recreate Silver Cuckoo / Golden cuckoo /Birchen marans from 1 BCM rooster .1 BCM hen and 1 Silver cuckoo hen.

with this trio we can recreate what we want without adding any thing to them for the first 5 years.

YEAR 1 = mate the BCM rooster to the silver cuckoo hen and a BC hen = hatch about 25 chicks from each pair as F1 progeny
BC X BC = 100% BCM =choose the good 1 cockerels and 3 pullets
BC rooster X Silver cuckoo hen = F1 progeny all the pullets are BCM and a cockerels are Gold/Silver Dark bared cuckoo . we select a best cockerel and 3 best pullets.

YEAR2 ( next year ).
BCM = mate the pullet to they sire to produce inbred line 75% of the sire genes .F2 BCPure
BCM = we mate the cockerel we kept with his Dam to produce 75% inbred Dam line .F2 BCPure Pullet
F1 Hybrid = we mate the best Gold/Silver cockerel we kept with his sister F1 BCopper = we get F2 very interesting progeny .
this F2 progeny will have 12.5% silver cuckoo pullets we keep the best 3 pullets. they are F2 SC
                                              12.5% Golden cuckoo pullets.we keep the best 3 pullets. F2 GC
                                               12.5% Birchen pullets .we keep the best 3 pullets.F2 Birchen
                                               12.5% Black copper  pullets. we don t keep those one .
Cockerels = 12. 5% impure Silver/Golen cuckoo . we keep the best cockerel  he ll be F2 SC
                       12.5% golden cuckoo .we keep the best cockerel . he ll be F2 GC
                       12.5% Black copper .we don t keep those one .
                       12.5% impure silver/Golden Birchen. we keep the best cockerel . he ll be F2 Birchen.

YEAR 3 = very exiting year the start of line breeding;
BCM = Cockerel line we mate the Sire ( who is a grand sire now)  to his grand daughter F2 BCPure =to produce F3 pure Cockerels We don t keep the pullets this time only the best cockerel BCPure F3
BCM = Pullets line we mate the Dam ( who is a grand Dam now) ho her grand son F2 BCPure Pullet = we produce F3 pure pullets We don t keep the cockerels this time only the best 3 pullets F3 BC pure Pullets
HYBRID=
SC = we mate the F2 SC pullets to SC impure Silver/Golden cockerel - to produce F3 SC 25% will be pure Silver cuckoo can breed true .
GC = we Mate the F2 GC  to a Black copper hen = F3  50% BC and 50% Golden cuckoo
GC = we can mate the F2 GC pullets to A BC rooster = F3 50% each
Birchen = we mate F2 Birchen pullets to F2 impure Silver/Golden Birchen cokerel = F3 50% pure Birchen  they breed true from now on

YEAR 4 =
we do the final crossing to establish the traits .
we mate the F3 Silver Cuckoo between them selves to produce F4, for one more time and we see if we need to outcross them ot=r keeping them pure
We mate the Golden cuckoo between them selves  to produce F4.
Birchen We mate them together to produce F4 pure Birchen .

YEAR 5 = We ll have a Black copper marans strain
                  We ll have a Silver Cuckoo Marans strain
                  We ll have a Golden Cuckoo Maran strain
                  We ll have a Birchen Marans strain

EST VOILA  very simple .study work . 25 chicks minimum of each cross to be on the safe side .
we can move forward any cross we like OR get ready of the cross we don t like .

Hope this information we help some body to recreate new strain rather than waiting for some body else to breed them or import them from France  they aren t any of this exotic strain in France only Monique and a Syndicat have them ( the Golden Cuckoo only Monique left )

I m on YEAR 3 = that why I have a lot colorful chooks they are F2 /F3 / and pure

chooks man

how can I apply this to get a BCM line, and what does all the f1/f2 progeny mean? I don't really understand the terminology. I'm sorry.

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: You don't have to understand all the terminology right away. It would be very difficult to learn everything there is to know about genetics before you begin. There are many websites you can study, books you can read.

This one will illustrate F1, F2, etc.
http://www.maransofamericaclub.com/inbreeding-chickens.html

http://www.maranschickenclubusa.com/

http://marans.eu/ncuiang.htm

http://littlepeddlersmarans.com/

http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/history-of-the-breed.php

 

[Braxton Brigade]

how can I apply this to get a BCM line, and what does all the f1/f2 progeny mean? I don't really understand the terminology. I'm sorry.

F1 represents the original cross between two parent species

F2 represents the cross between 2 members of the F1 generation.

F3 represents the cross between 2 members of the F2 generation.

Generally that is what those terms mean.

 

[chickengr]

how can I apply this to get a BCM line, and what does all the f1/f2 progeny mean? I don't really understand the terminology. I'm sorry.

just start with a boy and a few girls and follow this thread. feel free to ask questions, we all are learners. you need time to breed those youngsters, they are still babies, so there is plenty of time to learn.

 

[Chooks man]

I m well happy today I received my Maran book ( LA MARANS) plus a new eggs color chart plus 3 magazine .waited 3 month . the first parcel got lost .so they sent another one great service .


a lot good information. the same thing we are saying here in this thread ,nothing new to me just wanted to know how they work around the fault to move the generation forward.

chooks man