International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

I am not sure but I think there are differences in the tail. I think the U.S. calls for more open tail. I think the french is more upright pointy. To be honest I don't know. I hope chooks man will come on and clear this up.

there is no difference between the 2 standard .
the problem is ,the French standard is not specific in describing the traits we looking for . they let things open to the breeders to decide that all .but the US SOP people wanted the details that all .
Example . Tail = the French call for short and full tail .The US call for the same thing .
the difference is how the breeders see the rest of the tail .
the French found that the short, full ,thin and pointed tail on the hens will yield cockerels with a great short ,full tail not open .
the US breeders .think a short ,full open tail on the hen looks good .that all .but they forget the influence of this type of tail on the cockerels . most of the tail genes are Sex Linked genes .
So to select for a cockerel with a good tail ,you have to select his mama hen first .. I go with a French because the hen with open tail will never give a cockerel with a desirable tail that we are looking for .short and full .

for the show it is different story .you can breed a show line to the US SOP but never mix it with a pure french type . never work .

marans chooks should have a open tail when look at them from the rear ,but pointed at the top .forming the Pyramid shape .
open tail without a pointy shape at the top will give a FAN TAIL phenotype . major fault

some people are mixing between the pointed tail and the square tail . that all .
they think the square tail is an open tail .that is not true .poor description .
a square tail is not a fault is another type of selection .has to be closed at the top not open .other wise will become a fan tail .

chooks man


you see the difference .
 
I am thinking that BCM rooster over the three light hens. Then I just read on one thread it's best to use a dark blue not to use a black unless you have to. I am so confussed. chooks man, What is your thought on this? Will both work?

Don t listen to those peoples .they have no clue what they are talking about .
genetically speaking the dark blue ( they are talking about) and the lighter blue are the same BI/bl+ one gene of Bleaching BI ( 2 of them will make a Splash) and one gene of Black bl+ .if mated together they will give 50% blue ( all sort of blue type) 25% splash and 25% black .

if you really want to breed a true blue with a grayish under fluff you have to breed it with a Black . this way the dose of the Bleaching will always work and doesn t get out of hand.
the Blue need to be bred to the black to maintain the correct under fluff .dark gray to light gray .

if you breed the Blue to a splash than you are only worsting your time .good for the Splash but not for the Blue .the blues from this mating wil have a lot white and very light under fluff . very bad news

chooks man
 
View attachment 1213904 Chooks man, I found this picture. I hope I gives you a better view.
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I like this guy body type and coloring . great blue and well colored shoulders . nice tail
the comb is not great .

he has a lot to offer .

chooks man
 
Thank you for clarifying that Chooks man! I am going to save this pic for reference if that is okay with you @marchick . That helps a ton! :)

I ll post more photos soon .about all the type of BCM and BLCM rooster chest marking accepted by the SOP . not this 10% story ,some body make s this things up .

chooks man
 
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@RedBanks

I have been waiting to see those princes photos for a long time . I m so pleased you posted them .

ALL CLASS .
great body type
great hackle marking
great back
great head
great shanks feathering
great mass

the tails and the combs are they weakest point .

here what I see if I was going to breed from them .
1st hen on the right with a straight comb . I ll breed the comb line from her .
the Middle hen with a gorgeous pointed and well angled tail ( bent comb) I ll breed the tail line from her .
the one on the left hand side .thick body hen .I ll breed the mass lie from her .
the 4th one on the top .I ll bred the comb line from her too .the front of her comb is solid . need a close shot of those comb

chooks man
 
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@marchick

this cockerel comb is almost there .need a little tidy up the point that all . the rest is there .
nice solid base
nice front .straight
nice strong blade
lobe well lifted from the head .great
the line where the points meet the blade is well define and well arched .all the points end on the same line .very good

he just has many double point . one problem to remove .just around a corner . I ll breed a nice comb from this guy if I had him for sure .

chooks man
 
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@marchick

this cockerel comb is almost there .need a little tidy up the point that all . the rest is there .
nice solid base
nice front .straight
nice strong blade
lobe well lifted from the head .great
the line where the points meet the blade is well define and well arched .all the points end on the same line .very good

he just has many double point . one problem to remove .just around a corner . I ll breed a nice comb from this guy if I had him for sure .

chooks man
These are the same rooster. So which do you like the best? This one or the funny comb or the BCM Rooster?

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These are the same rooster. So which do you like the best? This one or the funny comb or the BCM Rooster?

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I like them all .they all have some thing to offer .all breeders in my books .
some thing I like about them is they bodies colors .great pattern and complete marking ,sex linked and the Autossome . that what we expect from the rooster .

chooks man
 

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