International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[wrathsfarm]

Thank you. If a dog eats birds - it won't stop right?

I didn't believe my neighbor who said my pup ate a few of his chickens. But this time - as a last resort - I tied the dead bird onto her neck and she ate what she could reach in a few hours. So that crazy plan didn't seem to work. Anyone tried that?

Usually once they get the taste of blood, the game is on. But that breed is supposed to be a good flock dog I've heard. If it's attacking neighbors birds it needs to be contained 24/7 or it's gonna cost you.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

That was my thought. Thank you so much. Waiting until next year to decide on Marans Roo. May end up getting more Marans in spring. Do you think the olive egger experiment will work with the Marans hens x Cream Legbar roo?

I believe the very darkest egg genes are male sex linked so hens only inherit it from their father. There are so many genes that determine egg colour I don’t even think they are documented, so you will likely still get some nice green eggs, just not the darkest possible. You will likely get a nice variety of green shades from each hen. However, the roosters will inherit their mother’s Z chromosome carrying the darkest egg genes, as well as one copy of the blue shell gene. If you used an F1 rooster to your F1 hens then
second breeding, you will pass on these genes and 75% of hens will lay green eggs, less than half of these being as dark green as possible. Alternatively, if you bred an FI rooster to marans hens, half will lay green eggs but a lot of these will lay superbly dark green eggs. For this to work best you should use a rooster from the egg of your darkest laying marans hen.

If you need to figure anything out just remember these three factors:

The Blue egg Allele is dominant to the white egg allele, meaning as long as it has one copy it will lay blue eggs (or would if it was female). The pure cream legbar will only pass on this so all F1s will have this gene. These F1s have a 50% chance (or more if the other parent also has this allele) of giving it to their own chicks.

The darkest egg genes are on the Z chromosome, hens have only 1 which is inherited from the father, Roos have two which they get from both parents.

Most over egg tone genes can be passed down from either parent, the legbar has no egg tone genes as it produces a blue egg, so you’re relying on the marans to have strong genes. The more egg tone genes they have the darker the egg will be, but not all of them are guaranteed to show if they only get one copy, that’s why F2 birds are good as they have a chance of inheriting these from both parents rather than just the pure marans side.

Sorry I start typing meaning to give a brief answer but always dump loads of information on you!

 

[chickengr]

Thank you. If a dog eats birds - it won't stop right?

I didn't believe my neighbor who said my pup ate a few of his chickens. But this time - as a last resort - I tied the dead bird onto her neck and she ate what she could reach in a few hours. So that crazy plan didn't seem to work. Anyone tried that?

unfortunately we must get rid of dogs who tasted birds.

 

[AusHen]

I purchased a cockerel to raise as a hopeful keeper but noticed his right wing sitting like this a lot, not always so loose but never really nice and tight. Can this be just a developmental thing (currently 5 months) when I got him at 13 weeks his wings were a lot tighter. Included both sides, he hold the other wing better

 

[Bantambird]

I do not trust judges .most of then don t know great deal about marans .
I could be wrong maybe the judge in your area know some thing
all the best .
your marans can win in the international marans show if the judges are honest and don t take the frensh side ,
chooks man

They know very little. The last judge was a meat bird guy, he really only cared about carcass and overall shape, not much else. Every judge likes what they like, that is very true. A lot of judges are biased against colors not in the current book of Standards, and the black silver(birchen) has yet to get approved as far as I know in the United States, even if it is approved in France.

 

[Bantambird]

That was my thought. Thank you so much. Waiting until next year to decide on Marans Roo. May end up getting more Marans in spring. Do you think the olive egger experiment will work with the Marans hens x Cream Legbar roo?

Another fun olive egger project is Marans over Legbar, with a solid based marans roo. You can get sexlinks this way, the legbars will pass the barring to only their sons, and all the cockerels will be hatched with the white spot, while the pullets will hatch a solid color or like penguins with no head spot.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Another fun olive egger project is Marans over Legbar, with a solid based marans roo. You can get sexlinks this way, the legbars will pass the barring to only their sons, and all the cockerels will be hatched with the white spot, while the pullets will hatch a solid color or like penguins with no head spot.

This is exactly what I’m going to do when my own legbars start laying. This will also be a good test mating for me to see if Loki carries the yellow legged gene.

 

[LaFleche]

Thank you. If a dog eats birds - it won't stop right?

My rescued Foxterrier X Jack Russel mix did stop.

He killed my then favourite hen which was fenced separately with her sister to recover from overmating and moult.

He was extremely attached to me, we had a very special bond, and it was pure horror for him that I screamed at him while throwing the dead hen at his head every time he tried to get near me.

I did not allow him near me for the entire day while otherwise totally ignoring him, which left a lifelong impression on him and her never again harmed or chased or killed any other of my birds, not even guineas or chicks running wild in our yard and garden.
Instead he began to defend them against hawks, owls and foxes.

I still fed him like all my other dogs to this day, raw and unprocessed food, often my own chickens too.
But he learned not to touch my birds dead or alive unless I gave them to him for a meal.

He was a great hunting dog and scent hound and I still miss and remember him very fondly.

 

[Chooks man]

I purchased a cockerel to raise as a hopeful keeper but noticed his right wing sitting like this a lot, not always so loose but never really nice and tight. Can this be just a developmental thing (currently 5 months) when I got him at 13 weeks his wings were a lot tighter. Included both sides, he hold the other wing better

I purchased a cockerel to raise as a hopeful keeper but noticed his right wing sitting like this a lot, not always so loose but never really nice and tight. Can this be just a developmental thing (currently 5 months) when I got him at 13 weeks his wings were a lot tighter. Included both sides, he hold the other wing better

can you open his wing and see if he is injured or has a split wing .
he is good looking cockerel .love his long body type ,
chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

My rescued Foxterrier X Jack Russel mix did stop.

He killed my then favourite hen which was fenced separately with her sister to recover from overmating and moult.

He was extremely attached to me, we had a very special bond, and it was pure horror for him that I screamed at him while throwing the dead hen at his head every time he tried to get near me.

I did not allow him near me for the entire day while otherwise totally ignoring him, which left a lifelong impression on him and her never again harmed or chased or killed any other of my birds, not even guineas or chicks running wild in our yard and garden.
Instead he began to defend them against hawks, owls and foxes.

I still fed him like all my other dogs to this day, raw and unprocessed food, often my own chickens too.
But he learned not to touch my birds dead or alive unless I gave them to him for a meal.


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He was a great hunting dog and scent hound and I still miss and remember him very fondly.

guess he was fast learnner .
I had a dog years back 2016 given to me she killed a lot of my chooks . I did every thing I could to make her stop ..she did stop killing the chooks but she had a wickness when coe to the white one ,she never stopped kiliing the white birds .her previous onner had a a orchid and she was trainned to chasse the white kakatoos .
my newdog did stop killing my chooks after few lesson . I did a same thing you did to your dog .. now nothing touch the chooks .
chooks man