International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Punkybrewster]

Yes I realize I shouldn't have said 'worse fault than'. Like saying my Marans laying white eggs is a fault.

I do try to stay away from the 'Marans chicks thread' when someone points out their day olds have yellow feet. I could swear I've read Chooks Man say it's not uncommon for day olds to present yellow but then change to pink.

I could be totally way off here and wrong.. so I don't try to post bad info.
I'll try searching for it later.
@BlueTheBrahma your rereading the thread, mental note if you happen across it?

I have seen just the slightest yellowish tint a couple of times and man, I did freak out.

It was gone in days and never could tell which chick it was so, yes. But once you see it, you see the difference between yellow tint and YELLOW.

Im the same way about not wanting to spread bad info. Thats why I hesitate to give info without being able to back it up.

I sure do wish this thread was in chapters and divided into subjects. It would be so much easier to direct folks to the answers they need. And me too!

Exactly.

Way back somewhere in this thread he said, "Cull all your chooks you'll have no chook's in your yard!"

If you can I would save a couple.

This is true!
And here I am wanting to cull em all. This years chooks are the biggest and best improvement ive seen in 1 season.

Now, these 10 cockerels, having the sire that they have, are going to carry a lot of parasitic white. Some are already showing white underfluff.

Do I want to keep that in my flock or begin breeding it out?

Most have correct type and straight pink legs with slate wash. Very nice.

I have these 3 adult roosters without any white but I dont know their egg color.

I feel like this new start is to get things right. I just dont know how to procede. Go forward and not backward.

 

[Punkybrewster]

I might test some crosses this year with Loki (my adult BCM cock) bred to some leghorns, legbars and warrens to check if he carries yellow legs. If his son has yellow legs, I have to assume that he carries them but I’d like to check anyway. Do you think it would be worth breeding with the yellow Legged cockerel if his dad carries yellow legs anyway, only if the cockerel is better in every other quality?

I Would do it out of simple curiosity

 

[Punkybrewster]

Yes I realize I shouldn't have said 'worse fault than'. Like saying my Marans laying white eggs is a fault.

I do try to stay away from the 'Marans chicks thread' when someone points out their day olds have yellow feet. I could swear I've read Chooks Man say it's not uncommon for day olds to present yellow but then change to pink.

I could be totally way off here and wrong.. so I don't try to post bad info.
I'll try searching for it later.
@BlueTheBrahma your rereading the thread, mental note if you happen across it?

I stay away from all marans chats. Only here because this is info, the others like to critique with no solutions.

They dont have solutions except to cull. No knowlege to improve AND not as supportive of each other.

 

[Punkybrewster]

Yes I realize I shouldn't have said 'worse fault than'. Like saying my Marans laying white eggs is a fault.

I do try to stay away from the 'Marans chicks thread' when someone points out their day olds have yellow feet. I could swear I've read Chooks Man say it's not uncommon for day olds to present yellow but then change to pink.

I could be totally way off here and wrong.. so I don't try to post bad info.
I'll try searching for it later.
@BlueTheBrahma your rereading the thread, mental note if you happen across it?

I remember reading this.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Egg color works the same 50% will get the blue egg gene and lay green eggs.

This is not accurate, but it’s complex so it’s understandable. Green eggs are genetically and chemically blue eggs in the same way that brown eggs are white eggs. Eggs are either blue or white, and then pigment (I like to call it ‘butt paint’) is applied, deciding the shade. Marans apply a lot of paint to white eggs. When you cross green to blue eggs, you will get all blue based if the blue egg bird is pure for blue eggs, but then they will all be different shades as there are lots of genes deciding the amount of paint. As green eggs are mixed in the first place, crossing them again will create a lot of variety, possibly including blue eggs.

 

[wrathsfarm]

I’m certainly no expert but I have been trying to read up on genetics. The best I can tell if I breed a black sire and blue dam 50% will be black and 50% will be blue feathers. Egg color works the same 50% will get the blue egg gene and lay green eggs. Beard feathers and comb type are not that simple it’s not a one or the other type of split. Things like partial beards and modified pea combs exist. Also since her mother was an EE there might be all kinds of things hiding in her genetics.

I do plan on putting her with Axl when the weather warms up. My breeding pin is not exactly draft free so I don’t feel comfortable moving them until we’re past the cold weather. I’m sure I can get some eggs for you while they are together

Any ideas who the sire is?

 

[Tstraub]

Any ideas who the sire is?

Blue came to me as an egg from the same breeder as my marans. He had a breeding pin with 2 BCM roosters, around 6-8 BCM hens, and one splash colored EE hen. So I guess there is a 50% chance that blue and Axl have the same father.

 

[Tstraub]

This is not accurate, but it’s complex so it’s understandable. Green eggs are genetically and chemically blue eggs in the same way that brown eggs are white eggs. Eggs are either blue or white, and then pigment (I like to call it ‘butt paint’) is applied, deciding the shade. Marans apply a lot of paint to white eggs. When you cross green to blue eggs, you will get all blue based if the blue egg bird is pure for blue eggs, but then they will all be different shades as there are lots of genes deciding the amount of paint. As green eggs are mixed in the first place, crossing them again will create a lot of variety, possibly including blue eggs.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

You’re welcome, I hope I actually made sense because sometime I explain more to myself than the other person.
You can think of it like crossing a marans to a leghorn, and then to a leghorn again. You are unlikely to get 50/50 white and chocolate eggs, you are more likely to have a wide range of inbetweens. This is the same thing just applied over a blue egg.

 

[wrathsfarm]

Blue came to me as an egg from the same breeder as my marans. He had a breeding pin with 2 BCM roosters, around 6-8 BCM hens, and one splash colored EE hen. So I guess there is a 50% chance that blue and Axl have the same father.

So she's BCM x splash EE. Interesting. Be worth digging into find out what coloring percentage she might produce bred back to BCM.
50-25-25 black-blue-splash?

And also curious what she would produce with both your BCM's? As well as egg color variations depending on what color your boys hatched from?
Would be a fun experiment... Especially if you threw a Blue Copper or Splash roo back in the mix.