Is Black-Laced Black Possible?

[BByroo]

I actually have some examples of this to share.
I have NZ Araucana in Black, Blue and Splash variety.
Recently I discovered that two of my birds also carry recessive white.
So when these two birds are bred there is a chance their babies will get two recessive white genes.

Rooster is plain blue
Hen is plain splash

Their babies (ignoring the white) will be either blue or splash

My understanding is that the recessive white "dilutes" all the colours on the feather to white - so all the other possible gound colours and patterns are still there but simply diluted to white so you don't see them.

So VISUALLY you see no colours, no patterns, only white.
But GENETICALLY they are still either blue or splash (plus white)

So I have a white baby here - let's say it was splash plus recessive white.

If I breed that baby to another splash - I will expect to get splash babies, showing all the usual colours and patterns you should see on splash, and those babies will carry one recessive white gene (hidden because one copy doesn't express visually).

Ok similar to how the merle and ee works with dogs neat

 

[3KillerBs]

IF you had a bird with black ground colour AND all the correct genes to form a lace ...

The birds in question are the offspring of a Lavender Orpington Rooster and Silver-Laced Wyandotte hens.

Sorry for my last dumb question but here's one, wouldn't this that we're discussing be the same as white 'hiding' colors and patterns? And if so can anyone with white birds go see if it has the same effect

There is someone one here who has at least one "ghost barred" birds where a white bird shows white barring.

 

[Auntiejessi3]

The iridescence is absolutely glorious. I was, actually, a little disappointed when their final juvenile molt brought it out because their baby feathers were an incredible, light-swallowing matte black. The velvety matte black would have been cool, but their shine really is amazing.

My OE is like that too! Just a stunning emerald green sheen, I love it!

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

I know this thread is a few months old - but I have recently learned something which is relevant to the original question.

In blue araucana there is an edging to the feather which is not created with the usual lacing genes. It is suspected, but not proven, to be a natural result of melanin placement on the feather. Ergo you have a "naturally occurring" edging.

So what we see are blue birds with blue "edgings". Here's an example - one of my young blue araucana I bred this year.



It therefore seems logical that if you removed the effect of the blue gene - you would then get a black feather with black edging.

This supports the original posters comments as to why she can see faint edgings on the black feathers!!

 

[3KillerBs]

I know this thread is a few months old - but I have recently learned something which is relevant to the original question.

In blue araucana there is an edging to the feather which is not created with the usual lacing genes. It is suspected, but not proven, to be a natural result of melanin placement on the feather. Ergo you have a "naturally occurring" edging.

So what we see are blue birds with blue "edgings". Here's an example - one of my young blue araucana I bred this year.

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It therefore seems logical that if you removed the effect of the blue gene - you would then get a black feather with black edging.

This supports the original posters comments as to why she can see faint edgings on the black feathers!!

Yes, my Blue Australorps have that effect.