is corn as main ingredient good for chickens?

[Organics North]

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Indeed!
It took me a while to "get it" Then one day I realized the whole point of needing to use certified organic seed stock was to avoid the GMO.

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Hmnmmm...............popcorn chicken...

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Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

Regardless of the anecdotes the facts don't bear out that feeding corn makes them warm. In fact if you really want to get them warm due to the heat increment use a high protein feed ingredient such as soybean meal.

OR
Field peas to avoid soy......

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Ethanol! Are you suggesting we crack corn and fire up the still to make some corn whiskey to warm our chickens...

It is my understanding that alcohol warming a body is another myth. (The drug effects of the alcohol contradict any gains in energy from the calorie intake.)

Seriously though,,, I too have always considered high oil feeds such as BOSS, flax, peanuts, suet.... as "warming"...


I think the idea of corn warming the bird is that whole corn takes the crop longer to grind... yes?


ON​

 

[spartacus_63]

on thanksgiving i paid $43 for a 12lb. free range turkey

This is exactly why we have GM crops. Countries around the world have passed laws forbidding GM crops, grown or imported...they have higher food prices and or famine now. Genetic manipulation is a necessity in this day and age. I have nothing against heritage seeds for personal consumption. In fact I have my own heirloom garden. We do not have enough tillable land to produce the amount of crops needed to feed this country, let alone the other nations that depend on our good will without GM crops. As far as GM corn goes, companies like Monsanto have developed ways to add vitamins, increase drought and insect tolerance and increase yield. As for Round Up ready soy beans, it only makes sense to me, if you have the best herbicide on the market, develop cash crops that tolerate it so your herbicide can be used as a post emergent weed killer. I just wish I would have thought of it first.

Gasoline prices top $4.00/gallon and folks stop driving...if corn ever gets to $4.00/bushel folks will stop eating...

Since I live in the grain belt, almost everything I eat I buy locally. I just wish one of those seed companies would design a cold tolerant banana tree.​

 

[spartacus_63]

I think the idea of corn warming the bird is that whole corn takes the crop longer to grind... yes?

I don't disagree with with this, but I think about how warm I feel after eating a high protein or carb meal. I'm not sure I am much warmer after a fish dinner than I am after a salad.​

 

[Organics North]

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This is exactly why we have GM crops. Countries around the world have passed laws forbidding GM crops, grown or imported...they have higher food prices and or famine now. Genetic manipulation is a necessity in this day and age. I have nothing against heritage seeds for personal consumption. In fact I have my own heirloom garden. We do not have enough tillable land to produce the amount of crops needed to feed this country, let alone the other nations that depend on our good will without GM crops. As far as GM corn goes, companies like Monsanto have developed ways to add vitamins, increase drought and insect tolerance and increase yield. As for Round Up ready soy beans, it only makes sense to me, if you have the best herbicide on the market, develop cash crops that tolerate it so your herbicide can be used as a post emergent weed killer. I just wish I would have thought of it first.

Gasoline prices top $4.00/gallon and folks stop driving...if corn ever gets to $4.00/bushel folks will stop eating...

Since I live in the grain belt, almost everything I eat I buy locally. I just wish one of those seed companies would design a cold tolerant banana tree.

Well, it is quite possible that if we keep on the same track as we are with non sustainable agriculture, climate change may allow you to grow bananas in places one never thought possible... Did you see the changes from the 1990 to the 2006 USDA hardiness zone map? WOW.. I find that disturbing... Lots of fossil fuels go into growing corn and soy don't they..

http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

Famine in countries that ban GM crops..............

Famine in the European Union and Japan.???..

.... Here is a list of countries... Readers can decide for themselves if that is a true or false statement.
http://www.purezing.com/living/toxins/living_toxins_gmofoods.html
Heck even china has restrictions on them....

It is my opinion that playing god with our food and modifying it under a microscope, along with monocropping corn and soy sets us up for famine on a scale like we have never seen.... The USA is actually suffering a form of famine... Diabetes! We are being starved of nutritional foods and only eating cheap sugar made from corn..
Our life spans are getting shorter while European Union countries, Japan and others that have banned GMO's are getting longer and they have lower health care costs......................
http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876a6070f970c-800wi


Does it not bother you to have Monsanto tinkering with genes to add vitamins..............???? It deeply disturbs me!!!

Sure I like heritage seeds too, along with heritage chickens... IMO they taste better...

I also do not mind hybrid seeds, and plant some of those to... I have no problems with hybrids, created in the field. Just not in the lab...

I am not to concerned about starving from a lack of food... Our lifespans will be shortened due to a lack of nutrition.. We will die fat and happy with bellies full of corn..

****We are off topic*****
I will shut up now........All my posts are only my viewpoint and opinion...

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[Cindy in PA]

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WHY WHY WhY. If the farmers didn't have corn or soy you would be paying $10.00 a doz for eggs.

This is probably true, however we are "paying" for cheap food with our health.

 

[Cindy in PA]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Sorry, but Organic Grains are absolutely GMO free. If they contain GMO then they are NOT Organic. This is a strict standard found in NOP and other more stringent Organic Certification Standards.

Organic is not supposed to have GMO, however unless the grain is tested, it could contain GMOs since it is grown around the GMO crap that most grow. How about the sewer sludge used to grow grain? Just had the farmer who rents FIL's field dump the stuff on the field next to us and the sludge is gonna hit the fan!​

 

[TNBarnQueen]

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OK, Ill bite.

Why is corn so bad for ruminant animals.

I know some breeders of bovine (beef and dairy) along with some dairy and meat goat breeders and sheep (meat and wool) breeders and I would love to here why corn is so bad for them.

If you don't mind me asking, How many years have you raised ruminant livestock?

Chris

I raise TN Walking horses and as a rule of thumb....and I am sure for other hoof stock...grain is the 2nd and sometimes 3rd source of food. Hay or forage is your first because it contains all that their system needs unless there is a health issue causing them to need a supplement..ie..a senior animal who's body cannot retain some nutrients. My horses only get about 2 cups of grain a day with a low content of corn. I think it is a habit from many years ago when corn was easier to grow and commercial feeds where not as available. I only feed grain when our pasture gets sparse in the winter. I know some who grain their horses year round and it is one of the biggest causes of overweight problems. So...I think staying as close to nature as you can makes sense. While corn is still ok....but in limited quantities.

 

[spartacus_63]

Famine in countries that ban GM crops..............roll
Famine in the European Union and Japan.???..hmm.... Here is a list of countries... Readers can decide for themselves if that is a true or false statement.
http://www.purezing.com/living/toxins/living_toxins_gmofoods.html
Heck even china has restrictions on them.... lau

It is interesting how when one wants to make a point, only part of the message is quoted...the part when heard alone furthers the agenda. If you look at grain and food prices in Europe and Japan you will also see that their prices are higher than ours. With the exception of rice in Japan. There are countries in Africa that have banned GM food imports that can now not even accept the life saving grain provided by us through the world food bank. Go figure! China does have regulation on imported GM foods...that is so they can protect their home grown GM foods.

Well, it is quite possible that if we keep on the same track as we are with non sustainable agriculture, climate change may allow you to grow bananas in places one never thought possible...

It is quite possible that the sun while rise in west, but that doesn't mean it will or that I know what I'm talking about. In regard to climate change, I haven't noticed any drastic climate change in my near half century, but if the climate were to change, who is the arbiter that gets to decide what is good or bad change?

Our life spans are getting shorter while European Union countries, Japan and others that have banned GMO's are getting longer and they have lower health care costs......................

This is a poorly done study. In fact our longevity has increased. The results of this study was reported in a misleading way. If you look at the actual numbers, it shows that only two groups of Americans lifespan has shortened. Both groups are minorities. If you were to remove those two numbers, you would see that most Americans are enjoying a much longer lifespan. IMHO, what the study really shows is that we have an access and or education problem in the poorer minority populations, not that our food supply or health care system is the problem. This is the same argument (and study) that folks tried to use to justify Obama Care.

Does it not bother you to have Monsanto tinkering with genes to add vitamins

NO! It doesn't bother me any more than the water department adding fluoride to my tap water or the dairy industry adding Vitamin D to my milk. They have just discovered an efficient way to add something healthy to the existing food supply.

Corn is subsidized by the government so therefore it is cheap for the big corporations to buy and sell.

This is a very complicated issue. American farmers are limited in how they can market their product. That limitation comes from Uncle Sam. I live in the largest corn producing area in the world and I will tell you that those that are putting corn and beans into the market are no more big business than the local mom and pops that sell groceries and hardware in your local community.​

 

[HeritageHens]

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Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds claims their seeds are non-GMO. In the catalog, they state that they test for GMO. I believe their seeds are grown in a closed environment to protect them from any nearby GMO drift.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Corn is selling locally for $6.07 to $6.23 pur bushel, not cheap by any means!