is corn as main ingredient good for chickens?

[spartacus_63]

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Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds claims their seeds are non-GMO. In the catalog, they state that they test for GMO. I believe their seeds are grown in a closed environment to protect them from any nearby GMO drift.

Corn, actually Maize, has been genetically modified over years of selective breeding. If you want to confine the definition of genetic modification to recent history and DNA manipulation, then that drops the numbers down to around 90% of corn.

 

[spartacus_63]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Corn is selling locally for $6.07 to $6.23 pur bushel, not cheap by any means!

Dr. Good said the average price for the new crop, which will encompass sales through next August, is expected to be a record, at about $5 a bushel, well above the $3.95 average price for the last three crops.​

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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I agree, vote with your pocketbook. You know what, if the market demands that we change to what you want we will change. It happens all the time.

This is an excellent recommendation, IMHO!


I'm interested in purchasing NON-GMO grains in west Tennessee or northern Mississippi.


If you know a farmer who grows NON-GMO grains in this area, please PM me.​

 

[Willowsong69]

This thread was a good read.

 

[jasonm11]

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I myself would not consider corn as a filler. A filler to me is would be something with no nutritional value.
Corn has a good deal of nutritional value to it. Corn has Protein (amino acids), Fat, Fiber, Vitamins, Minerals and Trace minerals.

Corn is the widely used as a Energy Sources. Also, milo, wheat, barley, and oats are being used, but, perhaps, inferior to corn in the relative value.

Corn -

Dry Matter (DM) - 88
Total Digestible Nutrients (TDN) - 88
Net Energy (NE^m) - 98
Net Energy (NE^g) - 65
Net Energy (NE^l) - 91
Crude Protein (CP) - 9
Crude Fiber (CF) - 2
Ash - 2
Calcium (Ca) - .02
Phosphorus (P) - .30
Potassium (K) - .04


Chris

AND now is genetically modified to make it "BETTER" lucky us.

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

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I've always heard that to be labeled "organic" in the United States the feed CANNOT have any GMO components.


ON- I can agree with everything you've stated.

I have heard a dairy farmer friend of mine talk about her reservation about some organic mix or another because the grower has some GMO corn in the mix.


Honestly, I have not researched this specific issue well enough to give you a definitive answer on this point. I'm just going on some things I have heard my dairy friend say.


So, I think I might be right about this specific point, maybe.... but I could be wrong too...


Actually, I am an organic grower of vegetables and fruits. But I am also a strong advocate of supporting LOCAL food growers -- whether or not they are organic. Therefore I will purchase direct from a LOCAL grower (but not a middle man) even when the food is not organic, before I will purchase "USDA organic certified" food from some other part of the country.


I am THAT big a believer in LOCAL FOOD PRODUCTION.


However, having said that -- I also quiz the farmer quite carefully before I purchse if they are selling a food that has a GMO version for sale, and I do NOT purchase even from local growers if I suspect they are selling GMO food.

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Sorry, but Organic Grains are absolutely GMO free. If they contain GMO then they are NOT Organic. This is a strict standard found in NOP and other more stringent Organic Certification Standards.

You sound like you are sure about this issue.


As I said before, I could be wrong about the issue of some organic grain possibly being GMO.


So if you feel that sure about the issue, I'll defer to you on this point...


Honestly, as strong as a proponent of organic foods as I am, I'd rather purchase LOCALLY GROWN, NON-GMO, non-organic FOOD than purchase USDA certified organic food grown some place else.


I'm not crazy about chemicals on my food, and am even more concerned about the fact that chemically treated food is no where near as nutrient-dense as organic food grown in a soil rich with organic supplements. These are the reasons I strongly support LOCALLY GROWN organic food, and grow so many of my own "eats."


But I am much more concerned about the genetic modification of food than I am chemical farming.


I can live with chemically farmed food if I must. I'm not so sure about GMO frankenfoods...​

 

[TheBantamPrevails]

Posting information by Michel Pollan on livestock nutrition is similar to asking Hitler or Goebbels for an opinion on Jews! You'll get an answer but it won't be unbiased or cotain both sides of the issue.

Do a little more research, specifically on Ruminant Nutrition, and you will find that a certain amount of a calves diet can in deed be corn without affecting the health of the animal.

Please have a little more respect for what the Holocaust was. 6 million people died. Families torn apart. People tortured. It is hard to take someone serious if they are given to such insensitive hyperbole.​

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

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Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds claims their seeds are non-GMO. In the catalog, they state that they test for GMO. I believe their seeds are grown in a closed environment to protect them from any nearby GMO drift.

Corn, actually Maize, has been genetically modified over years of selective breeding. If you want to confine the definition of genetic modification to recent history and DNA manipulation, then that drops the numbers down to around 90% of corn.

GMO is the abbreviation for GENETIC MODIFICATION, and it includes all foods -- and ONLY foods -- which are the result of genetic manipulation in the laboratory.


GMO seed is NOT the same as hybrid seed. Hybrids are usually the result of selective breeding on the farm, but it can happen naturally without any farmer's intervention. But again, the development of hybrids is NOT THE SAME as the genetic manipulation of a plant's genes in a laboratory.


About 90% of the corn seed available in the United States today is GMO seed. These seeds have been modified in highly sophisticated ways that would not -- indeed could never -- occur naturally in nature.


I have NO INTEREST in the 90% of corn that is the result of tampering by Monsanto scientists.


I'd rather use another form of grain or legume -- one that has not been tampered with in the laboratory. Corn and soybeans are NOT the only grains and legumes that can be fed to man or poultry...

 

[Chris09]

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I myself would not consider corn as a filler. A filler to me is would be something with no nutritional value.
Corn has a good deal of nutritional value to it. Corn has Protein (amino acids), Fat, Fiber, Vitamins, Minerals and Trace minerals.

Corn is the widely used as a Energy Sources. Also, milo, wheat, barley, and oats are being used, but, perhaps, inferior to corn in the relative value.

Corn -

Dry Matter (DM) - 88
Total Digestible Nutrients (TDN) - 88
Net Energy (NE^m) - 98
Net Energy (NE^g) - 65
Net Energy (NE^l) - 91
Crude Protein (CP) - 9
Crude Fiber (CF) - 2
Ash - 2
Calcium (Ca) - .02
Phosphorus (P) - .30
Potassium (K) - .04


Chris

AND now is genetically modified to make it "BETTER" lucky us.

The thing is that over 3/4's of the people that put down GMO products are still growing GMO products at there homes and either don't know it or don't care.
Take the one thing that is common at most homes in the U.S. the lawn. One of the popular seed that they put in that grass seed mix is Creeping bentgrass (Agrostis solonifera L.) a GMO product.
Now how many people are going to go out and dig up there lawn and plant a non-GMO grass?

Chris