Is it a Silver Sussex.. can you call them Silver Sussex?

[keeponcluckin]

Quote:
Light Sussex are ideally wheaten at the E locus, however, if the Light Sussex roosters of a particular strain show saddle stripling then they are ether partridge or partridge splits.

So really the "Silver Sussex" Paul has on youtube and website...they're not Silvers either huh. But...that's what I guess I will call them since I have not idea what they are huh? Don't think he does either huh? Why did he import them from Austrailia anyway????

 

[keeponcluckin]

Quote:
Jenn, Do you still have that roo? It sounds to me like (if I am understanding all this), that is what you want ..... predominately black. Correct?

All of my offspring look like the one in the back. Covered in lacing. Real pretty regardless.....

 

[kathyinmo]

Quote:
Well, Like David said, they are "crossbreds." How can these be called Silver Sussex, when they are not?

blackdotte wrote:

None of the birds shown are good examples of Silver Sussex, the hen is the best of the lot.
They should be sold as what they are - crossbreds.
Light Sussex are a Silver Columbian Wheaten,
Silver Sussex are a Silver Birchen.
David

 

[kathyinmo]

Is this a good example of what the Silver Sussex should look like?
from here: http://www.heritagehatchingandhens....119212_details.asp?Category=37&SubCategory=27

 

[Casey76]

They are nice silver sussex

 

[Casey76]

Just to back up what I've been saying, I posted on a forum which has a lot of colour/genetics specialists and this is the response I got, so i was a little incorrect, and I apologise

Theoretically a Light X Silver should give chicks that all look like Silvers. Birchen is dominant over Wheaten & Columbian has no visual effect on Birchen.
Mating these F1 birds together should give pure Silvers, Silvers carrying Wheaten, Columbians, Silver Wheatens in a ratio of 6:6:4:2
But your original stock would need to be correctly bred in the first place to get these results.

Obviously this means mating brother to sister to get back to the Silver geno- and phenotype, which isn't good for vigour, especially if you only have a limited gene pool to start with.​

 

[kathyinmo]

Quote:
Obviously this means mating brother to sister to get back to the Silver geno- and phenotype, which isn't good for vigour, especially if you only have a limited gene pool to start with.

genotype is the genetic makeup.
phenotype is the observable physical characteristics (what they look like).

So, are you saying you CAN get back 100% Silver Sussex with the crossing of a Silver Sussex and a Light Sussex, and then mating those together?

 

[donnie]

Quote:
Obviously this means mating brother to sister to get back to the Silver geno- and phenotype, which isn't good for vigour, especially if you only have a limited gene pool to start with.

genotype is the genetic makeup.
phenotype is the observable physical characteristics (what they look like).

So, are you saying you CAN get back 100% Silver Sussex with the crossing of a Silver Sussex and a Light Sussex, and then mating those together?

thats what i get from it kathy , althought there will be a bit of leakage i do believe

 

[Casey76]

So, are you saying you CAN get back 100% Silver Sussex with the crossing of a Silver Sussex and a Light Sussex, and then mating those together?

yes, but you *must* have *pure* silver sussex, and *pure* light sussex as the F0 generation. If you then mate brother to sister from the F1 generation you will get 33% pure silver, 33% silver carrying wheaten, 22% colombian and 11% Silver wheaten.

The Silver carrying wheaten will look phenotypically like pure silver, but will throw odd coloured birds, if bred as it if was pure silver.

Colombia, obviously looks like the light sussex, and so could be discarded

The silver wheaten looks like pure silver at first glance, however is duckwing and not crowwing (light flight feathers, instead of black).

However, all of this depends on the quality of the F0 generation in the first place.

And however you look at it , they are not "split" for silver

 

[donnie]

Quote:
yes, but you *must* have *pure* silver sussex, and *pure* light sussex as the F0 generation. If you then mate brother to sister from the F1 generation you will get 33% pure silver, 33% silver carrying wheaten, 22% colombian and 11% Silver wheaten.

The Silver carrying wheaten will look phenotypically like pure silver, but will throw odd coloured birds, if bred as it if was pure silver.

Colombia, obviously looks like the light sussex, and so could be discarded

The silver wheaten looks like pure silver at first glance, however is duckwing and not crowwing (light flight feathers, instead of black).

However, all of this depends on the quality of the F0 generation in the first place.

And however you look at it , they are not "split" for silver

that is what comes up on the calculator i do believe