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It takes some hunting but direct from the farmer is the only way I can afford to buy organic grain. We grow our own sunflowers and milo but its not enough yet.
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This is all very true. I grow and consume a lot of organic food.I don't generally do this but I feel I need to get the soap box out here and do a little preaching.
It is very apparent that many who have posted here have never spent any time at all even talking to anyone involved in the production of the feeds they are using, to say nothing about knowing what actually may be going on in the field the stuff was grown in.
Farmers don't liberally dose huge fields of grain with truckloads of needless chemicals just because they have them laying around. To say that all crops are soaked with this or that deathly poisonous chemical unnecessarily, is just plain absurd. A typical acre of corn will net the very best farmer only a meager profit most years. To ad any treatment to that crop costs a fortune, not only in the cost of the chemical itself, but fuel for the tractor, the manpower to operate the tractor, and how about that tractor itself. Most cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. A simple oil change on one of these new beasts could cost well over a thousand dollars! The less that tractor runs the longer it lasts and the longer the time between oil changes. To be a successful farmer today one must be and incredibly good businessman. Wasting money on unneeded crop treatments is just poor business practice. Most farmers use the bare minimum of treatment possible to get the best crop they can from their acreage. Only treating for common diseases and infestations as needed. To do otherwise is just wasting money.
Furthermore, an "organic" label on anything, doesn't mean it doesn't contain "forbidden" chemicals. Most organic certification organisations care more about collecting their fees for membership than insuring compliance with their own made up standards. One organisation that we signed up for asked us to send them a $1200 check and they would send out an inspector. We sent the check and the inspector never came, but the bill for $89.00 surely came every month. Yet we were certified organic as long as we kept paying we could use the "certified" label. We could have been growing on a chemical landfill and spraying truck loads of pesticides for all they knew. We grew our stuff organically, but only because we wanted to. Not because anyone attempted to insure that we were in compliance.
Chickens can't read, but the people buying their feed surely can. Labeling a product this or that is a sales technique. Buying something because of the label is a good place to start. The proof is in the pudding though. When feeding your flock the feed in question, are they healthier, happier, and more productive with the higher price feed? Enough so to justify the extra cost? Are you really that concerned about the productivity of your backyard flock? Is six eggs a week enough to keep you happy with your hen or will only two be enough?
The cold hard truth is that with populations growing and less and less farmland feeding more and more people, modern farming practices are needed to feed us all. Growing organically is great, but the plain and simple truth is, it is not productive enough to feed the masses. Hopefully science will advance enough to make organic farming practices productive enough to feed us all. Hopefully they will be more widely accepted when they are discovered.
I'll step down now and prepare for my beating.
Good point, however I think the OP way back was talking about the drying of grains for harvest, by using round up. As far as farmers not just pouring stuff on their fields that is probably also true in most cases. I have lived next to rented fields for 37 years & the previous farmer planted Roundup ready corn & soy. The # of noxious weeds we have now, compared with 37 years ago is amazing. They spray until the crop is big enough & then the weeds take over & go to seed in the fall. I have had roundup kill my garden, because he sprayed on windy days. He was ignorant, may he RIP, LOL. Since Roundup is no longer working they have gone back to more toxic chemicals of the past. They put soybean oil, that used to be a waste in all our foods. They get paid by the government. Thankfully the 10 acres near me will no longer be in production, since the death of my FIL. We have been slowly planting fields for wildlife. I never buy organic from big Ag. I shop local for most things. End of rant.I don't generally do this but I feel I need to get the soap box out here and do a little preaching.
It is very apparent that many who have posted here have never spent any time at all even talking to anyone involved in the production of the feeds they are using, to say nothing about knowing what actually may be going on in the field the stuff was grown in.
Farmers don't liberally dose huge fields of grain with truckloads of needless chemicals just because they have them laying around. To say that all crops are soaked with this or that deathly poisonous chemical unnecessarily, is just plain absurd. A typical acre of corn will net the very best farmer only a meager profit most years. To ad any treatment to that crop costs a fortune, not only in the cost of the chemical itself, but fuel for the tractor, the manpower to operate the tractor, and how about that tractor itself. Most cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. A simple oil change on one of these new beasts could cost well over a thousand dollars! The less that tractor runs the longer it lasts and the longer the time between oil changes. To be a successful farmer today one must be and incredibly good businessman. Wasting money on unneeded crop treatments is just poor business practice. Most farmers use the bare minimum of treatment possible to get the best crop they can from their acreage. Only treating for common diseases and infestations as needed. To do otherwise is just wasting money.
Furthermore, an "organic" label on anything, doesn't mean it doesn't contain "forbidden" chemicals. Most organic certification organisations care more about collecting their fees for membership than insuring compliance with their own made up standards. One organisation that we signed up for asked us to send them a $1200 check and they would send out an inspector. We sent the check and the inspector never came, but the bill for $89.00 surely came every month. Yet we were certified organic as long as we kept paying we could use the "certified" label. We could have been growing on a chemical landfill and spraying truck loads of pesticides for all they knew. We grew our stuff organically, but only because we wanted to. Not because anyone attempted to insure that we were in compliance.
Chickens can't read, but the people buying their feed surely can. Labeling a product this or that is a sales technique. Buying something because of the label is a good place to start. The proof is in the pudding though. When feeding your flock the feed in question, are they healthier, happier, and more productive with the higher price feed? Enough so to justify the extra cost? Are you really that concerned about the productivity of your backyard flock? Is six eggs a week enough to keep you happy with your hen or will only two be enough?
The cold hard truth is that with populations growing and less and less farmland feeding more and more people, modern farming practices are needed to feed us all. Growing organically is great, but the plain and simple truth is, it is not productive enough to feed the masses. Hopefully science will advance enough to make organic farming practices productive enough to feed us all. Hopefully they will be more widely accepted when they are discovered.
I'll step down now and prepare for my beating.