Is there such thing as a NON-GMO bird

Interesting subject... I appreciate the clarifications being made here. I've never been one to be too concerned with GMOs, more power to the farmers! But there's a lot of hype and negative connotations surrounding everything GMO and organic. It may all be a marketing scheme to scare people into buying more expensive products, or at least so you can feel better about yourself when you buy them. Whether or not you're actually better off... is a mystery to me.
Eating GMO feeds and Organic feeds do the same thing for you. They feed you, they give you nutrients. The only difference is the quantity produced.
Exactly. Makes life easier for the farmer to produce more to be able to meet the enormous demand.

To the OP, God still makes all the creatures of the world! Selective breeding is just a way to help domesticated animals produce healthier offspring. In the wild, males fight for the opportunity to mate and the female chooses the strongest... this enables the strongest offspring to be born and grow up to become the strongest survivors. And also the reason that weak animals may be killed by their own mother, or just become a predator's meal. It's God's system, survival of the fittest.

And yes, humans have definitely manipulated some breeding over the years, that's how we ended up with domesticated animals. But it doesn't mean that they're unnatural. I wouldn't think you'd want to raise wild birds for meat and eggs. But maybe after a few generations of choosing the best producers for breeding stock, you might get something worth sustaining. So why not take advantage of what's already been "manipulated" and proven to produce well?

So by "heirloom style" I think you mean Heritage breeds. They are American Poultry Association purebreds (similar to the AKC registration for dogs) that remain true to the regular old-fashioned types of chickens that were around long before agriculture became industrialized. Some of those breeds are endangered and sought after for showing and breeding purposes. There are many excellent dual-purpose varieties. You can buy heritage breeds from hatcheries or feed stores but they may not meet the exact standard characteristics of APA birds.

You can still raise broilers... they're not genetically modified, they're hybrids that happen to grow really fast on their own without steroids or antibiotics or whatever. But like most hybrids, they can't really reproduce successfully or at all. Some vegetables are hybrids (cross-pollinated, not GMO), but if you plant the seeds you won't get the same hybrid to grow -you get a parent variety. Mules (horse and donkey cross) are born completely sterile. Genetics are a strange thing.

I think what it mostly comes down to is what you feed... as others have said. If you want "organic "eggs and meat, you have to buy organic non-GMO feed or make your own.
I personally don't think it makes that big a difference unless you're trying to sell to a particular market of consumers, or if you're operating your own homestead and living a truly organic sustainable lifestyle.
 
WOW, been away for a few days and see I got slammed. (And for good reason) :oops:

There is no proof. I was just going by what I have been told all my life and believed without doing the research for myself. Which I have been doing since reading R2elk's reply. Thanks R2elk for opening my eyes.

Now I got to do some research on those CX's.

You might look at these (in order, it is one video). This corrected my thinking on some of the things commonly believed about Cornish X.


 
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You might be confusing the market birds with GMO because they are fed GMO food and labeled as such... No chickens are GMO, they are just selectively bred. If you want organic birds then buy any chicken breed and feed them organic feed if you are really worried. What do you think makes a chicken, or other animal, a GMO btw? Just because they have high egg production or meat production does not mean they have been GMO. Genetically modifying is mainly done with plants, not much work has been done with animals yet.
 
Well my thoughts are (and I'm no scientist) a broiler chicken isn't a normal chicken. In about 8 weeks they are almost too big to walk. So in 5-6 months how could they lay a egg to hatch? My thoughts are that is a GMO bird? I don't know just my thoughts? And I've been wrong before. I would just like to get back to something close to what God made.
If you want a chicken like God made, you are going to have to find something like jungle fowl. All domestic poultry and livestock has been bred for a particular purpose for generations and none are like their native ancestors. As for GMO, I don't know of any poultry or livestock that has been genetically modified except by breeding and that is not the same thing. GMO means the introduction of foreign DNA such as putting mouse DNA into a chicken. I think that has been done but simply as an experiment, not for any commercial purpose. By the way, I have had Cornish X pullets lay eggs. They produce a nice big light brown egg. I have no idea how long they will continue to lay because I never kept them that long.

There is no law that says you cannot raise something like an Orpington or a White Rock for meat. You will end up with an acceptable meat bird, but it takes a lot more time, costs a lot more in feed, and will not have the yield of a Cornish X.
 
The cornish cross are bred to be a meat bird, they would only become gmo if they are fed gmo feed.
That's not how it works. If you want "organic" chicken, then yes, you will want to feed "organic" feed. However, the point of feeding organic is to avoid any residue of pesticides or herbicides that have been used on the plants that make up the feed. For instance, some genetically modified plants have been designed to be resistant to roundup, so that farmers can control weeds easily by spraying roundup over the entire field, thus killing everything except the crop.So, if you have feed that, for example, contains corn that has been sprayed with roundup, the supposition is that the feed may contain residue from roundup, thus getting that into the meat or eggs. Eating GMO corn does not change the genetic makeup of the chicken, that sort of thing happens in the laboratory only. However, once an organism has had it's genes modified, those "new" genes are then passed on to it's offspring.
 
The rules and regulations under which NON GMO CROPS are produced allow NON GMO PRODUCERS to employ any pesticide that they care to if it means that they can save their crop by doing so. But the general public is not told that.

There is even a new GMO Orange juice in the pipeline that employs a smidgen of DNA from the spinach plant. This orange juice can eliminate OJ producers needing to spray their orange orchards 10 to 15 times per year with deadly insecticides. Which do you prefer, GMO Orange juice with a tiny bit of DNA from the spinach plant or gross amounts of deadly insecticides sprayed on oranges to control greening disease? If you say the latter then you really don't care about the environment or about a safe food supply. Are you also going to stop eating spinach because it is now being incorporated in GMO Orange juice?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015...trus-greening-southern-gardens_n_7244858.html

So I guess trans gender bathrooms are OK but some people do want trans gender foods!
 
Briani, where are you located? I'm thinking about climate and what you can grow. If you modify your profile to show your general location that info is always available.

It's not just plants, they need certain amino acids that come from animal products. It is permissible within the organic rules to add synthetic amino acids to organic chicken feed to fulfill that need.

Some people will tell you that you cannot grow your own feed or mix your own but some people do. It is not real easy. I suggest you start a new threat in the feeding section and title it something like "Growing your own feed" so maybe you can attract the attention or those that do it.
 
Wow thank you all for your help. Ok its selective breading I was wanting to stay away from I guess not the non-gmo. I'm kinda afraid to ask but hear it goes. Let's say I want to quit buying chicken feed. What all plants should I grow to feed my chickens and give them a good amount of protein?
What is your actual goal here? That would help. Do you want meat for your family? To sell? To be self-sustaining? Or avoid chemicals?
 
Show me your proof. There is no reason for them to use steroids to get the kind of growth they get naturally.

WOW, been away for a few days and see I got slammed. (And for good reason) :oops:

There is no proof. I was just going by what I have been told all my life and believed without doing the research for myself. Which I have been doing since reading R2elk's reply. Thanks R2elk for opening my eyes.

Now I got to do some research on those CX's.
 

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