Is this a tumor or some type of disease?

[pwand]

okay, this sounds like i will need to do some major prepping beofre i am ready to start so i will prep tonight, get a box/pen ready for her and tomorrow after work... surgery commences! i will see if my 9 year old daughter will take pics during and post-op, not sure if i can get her to manage that, she won't want to watch the surgery i am sure. but we will see, if necessary i will trade places with my older daughter and hold while she shoots so i don't contaminte my hands or anything else. Good idea with the towel, i probably wouldn't have thought of that one until after the fact i am sure!

Good luck with her surgery tomorrow. I know you can do it.

 

[casportpony]

oh that's comforting LOL

You'll be fine!

 

[MsChickenMomma]

Good luck!

 

[Maah]

okay, this sounds like i will need to do some major prepping beofre i am ready to start so i will prep tonight, get a box/pen ready for her and tomorrow after work... surgery commences! i will see if my 9 year old daughter will take pics during and post-op, not sure if i can get her to manage that, she won't want to watch the surgery i am sure. but we will see, if necessary i will trade places with my older daughter and hold while she shoots so i don't contaminte my hands or anything else. Good idea with the towel, i probably wouldn't have thought of that one until after the fact i am sure!

How are things going? Hope you & your chicken are doing well.

 

[SCchickens2011]

How are things going?  Hope you & your chicken are doing well. 

I prepped everything. Decided to wait until today a neighbor who also has chickens and is more into the surgical end of thngs and doesn't get queazy is helping me. The good news is yesterday Tiny somehow opened it up herself. She was a bloody mess but it is definately pus. So at least we wont have to cut it open now we just have to get It cleaned out and get antibiotics in her. I got Detramyacin??? Its the soluble powder so how much should I mix up and should I mix up a dose at a time or enough to dose her twice a day by syringe? I will try to post he pic I took yesterday but from my phone I am not sure how well that will work. Oh I also have her in a temporary ICU ( isolation box) that I built within the coop. She is on an old sheet. As of 9 pm last night she onpy pooped twice and they were small and sort of dry. She has not been ea ting much but still drinks lots of water. If I can get the pic up you will see she needs her beak trimmed due to not pecking around much so what is the best cure for that? Animal nail trimmers?

. I did it!

 

[Maah]

Wow, that poor girl. Glad she started the process for you. Just make sure you get it cleaned out very well, and put some antibiotic ointment (neosporin) on it for the next few days. I'm thinking that would be hard to bandage given the location.

Yea, her beak looks like it needs some help so she can eat properly and gain some weight back. I've never needed to trim the beaks of any of our chickens, so I looked up a link for you... it sounds simple enough: nail clippers, and a nail file to smooth down the edges. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/625413/beak-trimming

I think you should give her some poly-vi-sol infant vitamin drops (without iron) as well as an added boost until she's back up & running.

For the antibiotic "Duramycin", it would be 1 Tablespoon per gallon of water for the 800mg dosage for 7-14 days, there's a 3 week withdrawal, so toss any eggs. You can put it right in her waterer. You will want to calculate that out, and only make a small portion for her each day. The antibiotic is only good for 24 hours so fresh needs to be made daily.

Does this sound about right? Anybody please feel free to correct me, I am far from expert here..

Good luck & keep us updated.

 

[SCchickens2011]

Wow, that poor girl. Glad she started the process for you. Just make sure you get it cleaned out very well, and put some antibiotic ointment (neosporin) on it for the next few days. I'm thinking that would be hard to bandage given the location.

Yea, her beak looks like it needs some help so she can eat properly and gain some weight back. I've never needed to trim the beaks of any of our chickens, so I looked up a link for you... it sounds simple enough: nail clippers, and a nail file to smooth down the edges. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/625413/beak-trimming

I think you should give her some poly-vi-sol infant vitamin drops (without iron) as well as an added boost until she's back up & running.

For the antibiotic "Duramycin", it would be 1 Tablespoon per gallon of water for the 800mg dosage for 7-14 days, there's a 3 week withdrawal, so toss any eggs. You can put it right in her waterer. You will want to calculate that out, and only make a small portion for her each day. The antibiotic is only good for 24 hours so fresh needs to be made daily.

Does this sound about right? Anybody please feel free to correct me, I am far from expert here..

Good luck & keep us updated.

right, it's Duramycin, sorry i didn;t have it in front of me I knew it was D-something LOL i will take more pics as we get it cleaned and keep you updated.

 

[TeamChaos]

Hey, way to go! I had a rooster get something similar in his wattle- I assumed it was "bumbleface" and after taking the cheesy infection out, I cleaned it w/ diluted betadine and then sprayed it with vetricyn. You don't want it to seal over and trap more infection in there, thus starting the process all over again. In my experience, any little yellow "cheese" needs to be removed daily as it heals.

 

[SCchickens2011]

right, it's Duramycin, sorry i didn;t have it in front of me I knew it was D-something LOL i will take more pics as we get it cleaned and keep you updated.

Well, i got her under the razor and this is what we found, in the first pic, i started to cut into this whitish area, is did not indicate at alll that it was puss or "cheese" it looks fleshy, it also bled a little, but it would not even come out in clumos with the tweezers, it was putting her under alot of stress to keep working, in the second picture you can see the lump has now protruded into her mouth (red/white bump) you can see her tounge pushed to the side, the stuff in the front of her lower beak is dirt and feathers that i cleaned out later. The mass is no longer warm, but is rock solid, both of us tried to squeeze it thinking maybe if it were puss no matter the consistency it would start to protrude out, it did not. the fleshy middle didn't even seep anything, or move, it was just like squeezing a rock or marble between your fingers. it did nothing, so i flushed it out with diluted betadine, i mixed up some electrolytes which i fed to her by syringe, i put some wonderdust on one part that was bleeding and i took her back out to her ICU pen. she did not eat the yougurt i gave her this morning, she can't eat pellets or scratch, she barely drinks water. She did not lay an egg today which tells me she hasn't been laying, and she had barely any poop in the little pen she was in since last night. My neighbor and i both feel that this is a tumor or cyst, and i feel that the best thing is to just end her suffering. I will have her culled probably tomorrow afternoon, my neighbors husband will come over and do it. Thanks to everyone for all your help, suggestions and concern. Maybe after she is gone i can do a necropsy to see what it was and to what extent it was. We will see. I have a 9 year old who may not sit well with that idea, even for educational purposes.

 

[CedarCluck]

So I have just read through your thread on the issue you have been having. I agree it sounds like the answer may be culling her as sad as that is. My bigger concern though is the health of the rest of your flock as well as your neighbors flock. I did a little bit of research based on the photos you gave us and what some of the other members have said. While it does look like a very acute form of a cyst, the other symptoms you mentioned, not eating or drinking, no egg production etc make me very worried that it may very well be fowl cholera. One of the biggest give aways is that fowl who get this disease can have very acute cysts like the one in your pictures, and fowl cholera is a highly contagious disease that has a high mortality rate. I would strongly recommend that you have her checked by a vet or one of the universities that does the free testing so you can be sure and keep a very close eye on the rest of your flock and have your neighbor do so as well just to be on the safe side.

I know this link was posted previously but I think that this photo is very important lol. According to my research, "The most efficient treatment in breeding flocks or laying hens is individual intramuscular injections of a long-acting tetracyclines, with the same antibiotic in drinking water, simultaneously. The mortality and clinical signs will stop within one week. But the bacteria might remain present in the flock." So even if it's fowl cholera there is still hope for the rest of your flock.

http://www.poultrydisease.ir/Atlases/avian-atlas/search/examfinding/572.html


Hope this helps