Is this baby split mottle and barred?

[Aslea]

Had this baby hatch out, and I'm curious if he is split to Mottle AND Barred? This baby is a inbred, but I am not breeding for anything but hobby, my birds don't leave my property unless someone is just looking for some egg layers.

I posted his pedigree below, so there is a possibility of Mottle or split Mottle as well as Barring. He already has two siblings who are definitely barred, both had big white spots on head and one is older and already getting his stripes. The other sibling looks like a simple black, no head spot. There have only been four chicks from this breeding so far and sire is now deceased so I'll never be able to test him.

Sire: Black Barred
S: Black split Mottle
SS: Black Mottle
SD: Blue split Mottle
D: California White (Dominant White (Black Barred))
DS: White Leghorn
DD: California Grey

Dam: Blue (may or may not have been het Dominant White)
S: Blue split Mottle
SS: Black Mottle
SD: Blue
D: California White (Dominant White (Black Barred))
DS: White Leghorn
DD: California Grey

 

[Willawong Hill]

Barred is a dominant gene so it'll either be visible or not- can't be hiding in a split like a mottle can. That being said this chick does appear to have a white spot on the head, so may be barred. There's also a lot of white on the chest so it may be mottle also- is that what you mean, could it be a mottled and barred chick? Those genes are on different chromosomes as far as i know so it's possible for the chick to have both.

 

[Aslea]

Barred is a dominant gene so it'll either be visible or not- can't be hiding in a split like a mottle can. That being said this chick does appear to have a white spot on the head, so may be barred. There's also a lot of white on the chest so it may be mottle also- is that what you mean, could it be a mottled and barred chick? Those genes are on different chromosomes as far as i know so it's possible for the chick to have both.

Yes, I meant split to mottle and also barred. I've gotten pretty good at noticing if one might be split to mottle, still getting used to barred gene. Now if only I could figure out if it was the rooster or one of my hens that is split lol.

 

[chicken3fly]

Had this baby hatch out, and I'm curious if he is split to Mottle AND Barred? This baby is a inbred, but I am not breeding for anything but hobby, my birds don't leave my property unless someone is just looking for some egg layers.

I posted his pedigree below, so there is a possibility of Mottle or split Mottle as well as Barring. He already has two siblings who are definitely barred, both had big white spots on head and one is older and already getting his stripes. The other sibling looks like a simple black, no head spot. There have only been four chicks from this breeding so far and sire is now deceased so I'll never be able to test him.

Sire: Black Barred
S: Black split Mottle
SS: Black Mottle
SD: Blue split Mottle
D: California White (Dominant White (Black Barred))
DS: White Leghorn
DD: California Grey

Dam: Blue (may or may not have been het Dominant White)
S: Blue split Mottle
SS: Black Mottle
SD: Blue
D: California White (Dominant White (Black Barred))
DS: White Leghorn
DD: California Grey

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i have no idea

 

[The Moonshiner]

I've gotten pretty good at noticing if one might be split to mottle,

How do you notice if one is split to mottled?

 

[Aslea]

How do you notice if one is split to mottled?

Well, I've gotten good at noticing if they may be split, I bred for mottles for awhile but not show quality so may not have been reliable with correct birds. Anyway, a regular non-split will have a "solid" head. White typically not past the eye, uniform mask. Split has a patchy head, and mottle will have a solid white head.

Here's a thread I had awhile back with some of my chicks from hatch (purebred cochins). 1, 3, 4 and 8 are all splits. 2, 6 and 7 are Mottle. 5 was not split. There were only two roosters in that hatch, one being one of the splashes who I butchered due to temperament. The other is #8, he was black with some white feathers on his wings and feet, but didn't have any white until he was about a year old, just pitch black. He sired a Black Mottle cockerel to a black or blue hen, can't remember which. I gave all the mottled hens away and the others that I presumed split mottle all were proven split eventually one way or the other.

The 8th chick is actually the sire of the sire of the chicks in this thread, and the chicks from that thread share the sire to the dam of this thread.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/mottle-or-not-mottle-cochin-bantams.1247308/