It is what it is.

Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by LynneP, May 18, 2008.

  1. LynneP

    LynneP Chillin' With My Peeps

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=7693-Predation

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    This is my house cat 'Bee' (short for Bumblebee) staring at the chicks in the brooder. Because it's plexiglass, she can see everything the chicks do, and she stays with me when I allow it, her eyes glazed and her jaw often clicking. The lust in her eyes is obvious, and I'm glad hubby and I covered the brooder with hardware cloth and created a latch to discourage her. The brooder is in a basement bathroom and I can lock her out and I'm careful to do that. Sometimes I find her lurking outside and when she sees me she trills and asks the price of admission.

    She is what she is. Cats are hardwired to feed on small mammals and birds, and considering her feral roots, I would never expect her to behave otherwise.

    Before continuing with some thoughts on protecting my new chicks, I'd like to share the details of an event that occurred years ago at a friend's house. Aileen and Lyle found a magnificent gray angora on their lawn and tried to find his owners when he refused to leave. Now they had a boxer at the time and didn't antipate having a cat. As they searched for his owner, it became clear that 'Bogart' ( you have to call a cat something) was excessively fond of Aileen. Lacking cat food at the day of arrival, Aileen explored her freezer and cooked some scallops for Bogie. Now Bogie is a smart cat, and I'm sure a little light bulb ent off in his brain at theat moment. Aileen bought him a harness so that he could go outside on a long line but so that he would be available when the owners ere found. Despite their best efforts, the weeks passed, Bogie learned how to control the Boxer and he is with them still. Aileen is not a 'cat person' and Bogie's indoor behavior was exemplary, and I remember remarking at how much I liked him and she told me of his exploits and how domesticated he was. Still, he looked out the picture window with a certain melancholy and often swept the empty space between himself and the birds before clicking his jaw and smirking.

    One day when he was out on the line he caught a bird, hard to say whether a sparrow or a junco but Aileen was horrified to find him chewing the head as Bogie sprawled out on the lush lawn. Now i was chuckling inwardly but Ailen truly *was* horrified. She scolded him as Lyle tried to explain that he couldn't help himself and when he offered his trophy bird to her, Aileen stormed into the house, heartbroken. Bogies expression was ' Wassamatta with her? I am what I am, and I tried to share.' Over the next days he was wormed, scolded and kept indoors. But Lyle later told me he lets Bogie out regularly in his harness and if the cat gets a bird, well, why mention it?

    My point is that whether you are isolating your birds from a cats, rats, dogs, weasels, ferrets, foxes, coyotes, reptiles possums, skunks or raptors it's futile to think that the genetics of the food chain can be changed. You can hunt some of the predators. I would not be averse to disposing of a rat, for example, but the plain truth is that the niche will be refilled quicker than you can reload a 0.22. Not only that, but poison can be a double-edged sword because a contaminated body might be eaten by a pet, including a chicken. Our planet works that way- eat and be eaten.

    So what's the answer? Well, the answer is expensive unless you have access to unlimited free supplies of building materials and wire mesh. I'm not talking poultry wire either, that stuff may keep a chicken in, but several animals, notably raccoons, will reach through it, grab a chicken by leg, wing or nexk and kill it by straining it through the sharp edges. A lot of us are using hardware cloth, aka mason wire with 1/2" mesh. It keeps out a lot of thing- rodents, reptiles, mammals. A baby mouse might ease through, but you know chickens love to eat them.

    It's called biosecurity. I received an email from a dear friend the other day. For decades she and her husband had free-ranged their flocks which included quail, guinea hens, Rhode Island Reds and some amazing show and layer stock. They have wonderful acreage along the ocean on the south shore of Nova Scotia. Though they secured the most valuable of their chickens, they had always used the guineas for insect and tick control. Not any more. The area is more heavily populated and stray dogs have been killing their birds. The first year they thought they had identified the culprits and dealt with them, but a second heavy killing taught that their years of free-range were at an end. Victims of pets. Parts of the property are fenced for horses and the perimeter contains cattle wire, but the dogs jump or climb in. How utterly frustrating.

    This site contains a Predator section and I hope you'll peruse it. I also hope you won't have a problem! The secret is in coop/run construction and in routine maintenance. Do you have barriers to keep rats from digging up to your birds? Can you barn cats be kept away from your birds? Do you have your vents and other openings blocks to prevent snakes from ascending and descending? Are you fully aware of predator behavior and know how to identify tracks and other sign? Is your run covered, and do you have anti-digging barriers? If you have lost birds in the past, please know how badly I feel. Emotions can run rampant and the horror is real. Of all attacks, I believe weasels, rats and raccoons can be the most unnerving. It's no fun finding a large snake in a nest box, either.
     
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  2. SpottedCrow

    SpottedCrow Flock Goddess

    Very true, Lynne...
    You can't undo millions of years of evolution...
    Training CAN help with problem dogs as can good secure barriers.
    Having a bird get taken by a predator should be a learning experience. You learn what the weaknesses are in your defenses and can fix them.
     
  3. LynneP

    LynneP Chillin' With My Peeps

    To be perfectly honest, there are few places where one can free-range any more. It's as though unsupervised pets are as bad as the wild predators. I like the idea of solid chicken tractors as an alternative. Like all solutions design is vital and you have to spend a few $$$.
     
  4. love-my-wolves

    love-my-wolves Chillin' With My Peeps

    Mar 14, 2008
    Front Royal, VA
    Wow, I'm glad I don't have a problem like that. My cats are stupid, fat and lazy. They don't even bat an eye when the chicks are out. Actually, they usually run away. But I never leave them unattended. Ever. And the website has really helped me secure my outdoor coop! That is the only place I fear for my chicks. Even then, I check on them over 5 times a day, and they come inside at night. I use the smallest hardware cloth on the coop, and still worry about hawks. They are my only true fear, well, besides my hunting dog, but she's penned. I hope everyone reads your post, it is very true! Thank you for it!!! Steph


    Here are my stupid, fat and lazy's watching the chicks:
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  5. LynneP

    LynneP Chillin' With My Peeps

    That's a great photo and thanks for sharing it! I adore the ferals that use our property, we are rodent free!

    Still, I had to have hubby build and interior porch in the barn to keep the cats out of the coop and our run is proofed for the ferals, and for foxes, coyotes, dogs, raccoons, skunks, roofed for raptors, and so on. The only thing we don;t have is electric fencing and I'm open to the concept![​IMG]
     
  6. gritsar

    gritsar Cows, Chooks & Impys - OH MY!

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    Lynne,
    I totally agree with you. My former feral cat got a good look at some of my chicks yesterday and the look on her face clearly said, "WOW! JACKPOT!"
    I don't trust her, I don't trust my irish wolfound mix after she tried to play with a chick, and I definitely don't trust our border collie. Even in playing a chick can easily get hurt.
    love-my-wolves, it's cute to see your lazy cats watching your chicks. Just remember, if one cat decides to just reach out and swat at a chick, you're chick will have a serious injury just from a claw scrapping their back.
     
  7. morelcabin

    morelcabin Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 8, 2007
    Ontario Canada
    I had a cat one time reach under the coop door and swipe at a chick, ripping off one of it's legs. I learned from that and always have a peice of board on the inside of the door now (it also helps keep the shavings inside)
    Anyway the chick ended up being fine, I just left it be and it healsed and became a one legged rooster that hopped along great:>) But yes, animals are animals...and free ranging is becoming less and less common
     
  8. chicknmania

    chicknmania Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

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    That was very well said, (as well as funny). We have two cats. One if afraid of our chickens. The other one considers them friends, and will dust with them, when they let her. (They think she's extremely odd)...I haven't been able to get a picture yet of the cat/ chickens dusting party, but I will.
     
  9. The Chicken Lady

    The Chicken Lady Moderator Staff Member

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    I had a cat that would lay in the dirt with the chickens, too. I think what helped was that she was a kitten when the chickens were already big (fat RIRs and so forth, plus a gigantic white rooster). A few sharp pecks to the head taught her not to mess with chickens. She also spent time in the dog kennel with the dog (she, another cat, and the dog slept together in the kennel box in the garage of their own free choice during the cold winters.
     
  10. LynneP

    LynneP Chillin' With My Peeps

    I wish my cat(s) would behave well around birds but it will never happen! We also have dogs in the neighbourhood and I like that they discourage foxes and coyotes; on the other hand they sometimes get loose![​IMG]
     

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