Ivermectin and ignorance

[electrycmonk]

(Quietly thinks to self)”Alice through the looking glass?” Or “Soylent Green?” Oh wait, “1984.”

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

(Quietly thinks to self)”Alice through the looking glass?” Or “Soylent Green?” Oh wait, “1984.”

More like "Animal Farm"....... Keep your towel handy and sneaks tied

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

NZ Citizen here. I've been reading all your comments because we, in NZ, are yet to have our battle with Covid, and I'd like to remain informed (as much as I can anyway).

So far we've only had a few small skirmishes with Covid and currently our nation are rushing to get vaccinations on the increase for those that want them. The discussions concerning medications haven't really gained must traction .. yet.

Seems to me that these discussions inevitably involve our natural human nature - fear of harm. If the vaccine were capable of avoiding all infections, I suspect people would be more accepting of the vaccine. Knowing that the vaccine is not going to remove ALL risk, people then turn to any other method in the quest for a "cure" the infection.

I suspect this is the main driver that gives people interest in Ivermectin, along with the other previous "magic cures".

It boggles my mind that people who are suspicious of the vaccine could possibly endorse the use of Ivermectin products that are NOT approved for human use.

I suspect they are not so much anti-vaccination so much as anti-authority.

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

NZ Citizen here. I've been reading all your comments because we, in NZ, are yet to have our battle with Covid, and I'd like to remain informed (as much as I can anyway). So far we've had a few small skirmishes. Currently our nation are rushing to get vaccinations on the increase for those that want them.

Hard to believe anything you read or hear in the US anymore. Everyone has an agenda.

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

Hard to believe anything you read or hear in the US anymore. Everyone has an agenda.

Same here.
Same here.

Vax or UnVax "should" be a personal choice imho.
And I'm ALL for people making informed personal decisions.
The key word here being "informed".

There is a proliferation of misinformation out there at present. People get hung up on theoretical articles, written way before Covid and without Covid as their focus, and forget to ask about the "relevant" information.

If you want to know how dangerous covid can be - ask your local hospital staff, the ones who are nursing patients. Not Dr Google, or Dr Phil, or Dr "I don't trust big pharma".

Beyond that - we each must bear responsibility for our own choices.

 

[pennyJo1960]

If you moo or winnie may use Ivermetican

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

If you moo or winnie may use Ivermetican

Don't forget "Cluck"

 

[Tonyroo]

Interesting read so far, but for me I'm just playing the waiting game.

I do agree it's your choice, but is it your choice to infect your love ones or people around you ?

I feel like Covid is weeding out people who's misinformed and this was meant to happen.

I hope at some point people start taking there own responsibilities to heart.

 

[Crazy Maizie]

NZ Citizen here. I've been reading all your comments because we, in NZ, are yet to have our battle with Covid, and I'd like to remain informed (as much as I can anyway).


It boggles my mind that people who are suspicious of the vaccine could possibly endorse the use of Ivermectin products that are NOT approved for human use.

I suspect they are not so much anti-vaccination so much as anti-authority.

I am definitely not promoting the use of ivermectin for covid or any pharmaceutical for that matter. However, there are clinical trials being conducted and have been conducted showing the efficacy of ivermectin against covid. It's just that at the moment it is not FDA approved for Covid.
Ivermectin has a long history that I bet most on BYC don't even realize. It is used for animals, but it also has been used for viruses, parasites, and other maladies that have been approved for use in humans - including rosacea, asthma, HIV, etc.
It's been approved for human use since 1987. It's been in Merk's possession since 1978.
Ivermectin is not approved for use in poultry, but many people use and recommend it to be used on poultry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/#!po=60.1695
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/
http://www.farad.org/vetgram/egglayers.asp

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

I am definitely not promoting the use of ivermectin for covid or any pharmaceutical for that matter. However, there are clinical trials being conducted and have been conducted showing the efficacy of ivermectin against covid. It's just that at the moment it is not FDA approved for Covid.
Ivermectin has a long history that I bet most on BYC don't even realize. It is used for animals, but it also has been used for viruses, parasites, and other maladies that have been approved for use in humans - including rosacea, asthma, HIV, etc.
It's been approved for human use since 1987. It's been in Merk's possession since 1978.
Ivermectin is not approved for use in poultry, but many people use and recommend it to be used on poultry.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/#!po=60.1695
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/
http://www.farad.org/vetgram/egglayers.asp

I quite like your reply - wish there was more commentary like this out there!

I do know that there are human remedies that contain Ivermectin, however It seems to me that if Ivermectin had any great potential against viruses - we would be using it for that purpose already.

My gut feeling is that it may be decided that it is "helpful". But in the meantime, there is a real risk that people may do unnecessary harm to themselves by taking inappropriate versions and quantities of whatever version they can reasonably access - which in this case are animal products that are quite concentrated.

As for the use of Ivermectin in Avian populations - Many moons ago my FIL worked for the company that makes Ivermectin products here in NZ. Back then Ivermectin was not used for birds here in NZ - not in any capacity. I had a conversation with their vet/chemical scientist, about the potential for avian use, and he was quite helpful in describing how it works in other animals, and his "predicted" effects in birds. Obviously this conversation could not, in any way, lead to a formal endorsement of the product for avian use, but it was very very instructive none-the-less.

Since none of my birds, at that time, were for meat or egg consumption, myself and another avian keeper conducted a trial to see how Ivermectin would work, compared to the existing treatments available - and I can say that we were very impressed with the results. VERY impressed. And so we quietly continued using it.

It was perhaps 2 years after that we heard of local vets offering "diluted" ivermectin products in their clinics, by prescription only.

A further conversation with the Vet/chemical scientist revealed that this is what happens with drugs. "Unofficial" or "Non Reviewed" testing might show that a product intended for purpose "A" also has good uses for purpose "B". In these circumstances, if the manufacturer does not perceive there is much value to them in producing for purpose "B" they do not want to commit the time and expense to have it approved for that purpose. In these circumstances they say "this product is not intended for any purpose other than A" but unofficially they make it available and useful for purpose B anyway.

The kicker with this approach is that, as many have pointed out, it has NOT been vigorously tested in the same way other products are, AND you have no legal protection should something go wrong.