Keeping Fish

[Shellybean02]

You mean bettas? I know, but don't fry come in large amounts? I'm sure I'll be getting a lot of female fry. Regarding the breeder females, I'm not sure what to do about that yet, as I'm not sure what types of females I should breed with Monroe to get his color or even better colors.
Having said that: anyone here have any suggestions on how to do that? I should probably sign up for one of those betta sites to ask professional betta breeders the specifics, but I was hoping maybe someone here knows something about their genetics. As you can tell from the pictures, Monroe is a black double tail betta(not sure what type of black; maybe black ice). Black is in general a recessive trait, and so is double tail. I want to pair him up with a female that will produce fry that look like him, maybe more or less blue/black/lace etc. If nobody knows, maybe you can tell me about someone who does?

 

[LeafBlade12345]

You mean bettas? I know, but don't fry come in large amounts? I'm sure I'll be getting a lot of female fry. Regarding the breeder females, I'm not sure what to do about that yet, as I'm not sure what types of females I should breed with Monroe to get his color or even better colors.
Having said that: anyone here have any suggestions on how to do that? I should probably sign up for one of those betta sites to ask professional betta breeders the specifics, but I was hoping maybe someone here knows something about their genetics. As you can tell from the pictures, Monroe is a black double tail betta(not sure what type of black; maybe black ice). Black is in general a recessive trait, and so is double tail. I want to pair him up with a female that will produce fry that look like him, maybe more or less blue/black/lace etc. If nobody knows, maybe you can tell me about someone who does?

I'm sorry, I can't help with the breeding and genetic statistics with bettas as I am new to them as well, but yes, I meant Bettas when females must be kept in larger groups. Even if most of the eggs hatch, there is no gaurantee that most, if any, of the fry will be female, so just be careful! Also, adult fish may eat the fry, especially females or males that aren't the father sand mothers. Good luck and keep us posted!!

Regards,
Leaf

 

[Shellybean02]

I wasn't considering that, good to know! I was planning on putting the female fry with the adult(s) when they mature, so they won't fit in their/ her mouth(s)

 

[LeafBlade12345]

I wasn't considering that, good to know! I was planning on putting the female fry with the adult(s) when they mature, so they won't fit in their/ her mouth(s) 

Now I understand. Sounds good! Make sure they are about the same size though, so they aren't picked on.

Regards,
Leaf

 

[politicalcenter]

When I used to breed Guppies I read all kinds of information on guppy breeding (no internet back then) and found their systems very hard to duplicate and very complicated. Then one day I was watching public television about native Americans and how they developed food crops from native plants and found a system that worked well for me. I simply bred the best looking males with the best looking females. I always bred females that had the best color and males that had the best fins and patterns.

Right now I am trying to develop an all black comet goldfish. As soon as it gets warmer I will separate the darkest fish from the others and breed them together. I have one that is all black now but they have to breed almost all black for it to work.

What the heck....I am retired now....no money but lots of time.

 

[LeafBlade12345]

Well I came home to live bettas! They and the rest of the tank seem healthy. One guppy has a piece of his tail missing, extremely small, so I think it may have been a betta's doing. I suppose I'll have to purchase a new tank for the male, whom I'm guessing is the offender. Keeping fish is not as easy as it may seem....

Regards,
Leaf

Edited because I misspelled healthy...I'm beginning to wonder whether spell check is a curse or a blessing...these new gadgets drive me nuts! What happened to good, wholesome books? :confused

 

[Shellybean02]

Cool

I wanna know more about guppies like their genetics, colors, patterns, tails, requirements, breeding and such... All that would take so many posts on you guys' behalves!
I'll just match up my Monroe with another black orchid/ice female with a recessive tail trait. Hopefully that will keep his color and form; if not, I can always try another female, as he has his whole life ahead of him... I think...

 

[LeafBlade12345]

Cool
I wanna know more about guppies like their genetics, colors, patterns, tails, requirements, breeding and such... All that would take so many posts on you guys' behalves! 
I'll just match up my Monroe with another black orchid/ice female with a recessive tail trait. Hopefully that will keep his color and form; if not, I can always try another female, as he has his whole life ahead of him... I think... 

Keeping gups is pretty simple. All they need is a tank with a nice temp, some shelter, and a steady diet, and they will flourish. Water conditions must be kept consistent of course, but these guys are pretty hardy. The upkeep of their tails is the hardest for the males. They have long, flowing tails that just scream tasty to other fish. Or aggressive to some. Therefore, nippy fish cannot be tolerated. I advise against large tails, they are almost always targets for other fish, even other guppies. Breeding is simple. Females are to be put in a breeder box or separate tank when they are obviously pregnant and fed a little extra. When the fry are born, they are live bearers, the mother should be removed after being fed a little more. Then crumble fish flakes or frozen food for the fry until they're big enough to join the adults or be sold. It's pretty fun!

Regards,
Leaf

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

When I used to breed Guppies I read all kinds of information on guppy breeding (no internet back then) and found their systems very hard to duplicate and very complicated. Then one day I was watching public television about native Americans and how they developed food crops from native plants and found a system that worked well for me. I simply bred the best looking males with the best looking females. I always bred females that had the best color and males that had the best fins and patterns.

Right now I am trying to develop an all black comet goldfish. As soon as it gets warmer I will separate the darkest fish from the others and breed them together. I have one that is all black now but they have to breed almost all black for it to work.

What the heck....I am retired now....no money but lots of time.

I would love an all black comet, I've always wondered why black moors are a stable color but most other varieties that start black turn orange eventually. There aren't enough black goldfish.

 

[Shellybean02]

Can you guys help me decide on Monroe's color? He's either a black lace, a back orchid, or a black ice. Black orchids are black, with streaks of steel blue on their fins, and sometimes steel blue iridescence throughout their bodies(look up steel blue). Black ices are black with the same features, only the streaks and iridescence are steel blue(some people say they can also have steel or turquoise? not sure). Black laces have features of either ice or orchid, but the edges of their fins are clear/smokey. All are marble based, so the offspring might be marble or even the parents themselves might change color. To help you out, look up steel blue, royal blue, and turquoise bettas if you're not familiar with betta colors. Thanks! *UPDATE* My boys seemed fine this morning