Lavender patterned Isabel duckwing barred - lavender brown cuckoo barred - project and genetic dis

[ChicKat]

In this case using the more colorful cream legbars would be desired as opposed to the very diluted ones

Yes, Thanks -- only the original type CLs are even in the project to begin with -- there aren't any ultra-light ones around here. ;O)

 

[nicalandia]

Wish that they were homozygous for Barring gene --

In your case the heterozygous barring and homozygous lavender rooster may prove to be more beautiful because the only dilution will be made by Lavender, can't wait to see some of them grown up.

 

[ChicKat]

In your case the heterozygous barring and homozygous lavender rooster may prove to be more beautiful because the only dilution will be made by Lavender, can't wait to see some of them grown up.

Same here! - Thanks, and you are right that heterozygous barring may look much better - because more hues will be retained. Going for Homozygous barring in the males to get autosexing - but if we can sex them at this stage by their dorsal stripes and head V's then it becomes a little bit less important (especially if the double factor barred birds appear washed out) - And with lavender, for this project, as I understand the behavior of lavender -- it will require a gold crele to refresh the colors from time to time.....

 

[hhong3138]

Are you breeding homozygous barred males? that is the only way to sex them.

From the Pics, I can only see one Males(undefined/messy head pattern) but the chick looking down could also be male, but I can 't see his head very well.



Sexing is quite simple if you follow the Head pattern of females and males(females will have a very well defined V shaped pattern)

for example these recessive white cream legbars. Females V shaped head pattern on the left


Females on the middle, males on the sides

Yes, I am breeding homozygous barred males. At this stage, not sure if any male chicks carry two doses of B genes. So the auto sexing might to be as clear as the sample you showed yet.

 

[hhong3138]

I would make the exact same surmise that you did -- if it were a clock, the males would be at 12-noon, 6 and 3 9 - and the rest females. So the last 3 came in! whoo HOO -- those last 3 are big chicks. Some of these Isabels lay eggs that are really Large. (reaching back to the Orpington days from Mr. Henry?) ---

Especially the ones that are dorsal stripe surrounded by light stripes then a set of dark stripes outside the light ones -- makes me think Female. ---

What an amazing hatch!

ETA -- I dyslexiaed it, not 3 but 9 for that other male guess...sorry for any confusion....and the 12 chick is the one facing left not the one facing down.

Yes, that is my thought too

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The last 3 eggs finally came out with little help

(I have decided to not help, but in today's case, can't resist the urge. It seems like
I have two isabel, one brown. They are very wet and kind of weak. Hope they will make it

Found home for 8 chicks so far

 

[ChicKat]

Yes, that is my thought too

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There is that old saying 'great minds think alike'

The last 3 eggs finally came out with little help

(I have decided to not help, but in today's case, can't resist the urge. It seems like
I have two isabel, one brown. They are very wet and kind of weak. Hope they will make it
I'm the same way - House rules no helping out. In 2014, one of my CL chicks was helped, and interestingly he sometimes looked hunch-backed through his life. He also developed a goose-step to his walk...and we used to say he was 'the Minister of Silly Walks' from John Cleese comedy routine. When I butchered him, I found that his keel bone was shaped like an S -- (not a tight S - but a diagonal curve in the middle) -- So his whole life long he was dealing with that. Wonder if that was caused by difficulty hatching, as if he was stuck to the inside of the shell, OR if he had difficulty hatching because of it. All in all he had a not bad life for a chicken and one of his daughters (Cream Legbar) here is perfectly normal so it wasn't genetic as far as I can tell -- She's one of my good egg layers.

Found home for 8 chicks so far

That's great ! My splits are all going together to one single ranch. May be something to think about - someplace that has capacity for a big bunch of chicks.....

 

[hhong3138]

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Yes, that was the same reason I decided to not help. One of the chick I helped couldn't stand up, just sort of hoping around. I knew it won't survive long, but didn't have the heart to end it either. It only lived a very short life. Since then I decided to not help. Today I broke that vow.

They are still in hatcher and I will let them stay there tonight. I hope they will be healthy.

Thanks for the advice for the chicks. I just want them all go to good home.

 

[ChicKat]

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warmth seems to work magic on chicks sometimes. The first hatch of Isabel x splits that I did - one of the browns was stuck in the center of the Brinsea, there is a plastic grid that goes over the water well, so no chick can drown, but this chick (and the incubator was crowded with chicks -- ) either got shoved or wedged it's head in that tiny space between the grid and the plastic that directs the fan's air to the water reservoir in the Brinsea Mini advance. -- When I took the chick out it was weak and kind of limp -- So I put it in the brooder under the heat and ... voila - next time I looked I couldn't even tell which chick it was. Hope yours will recover as well. Keeping them warm is smart.

When I picked up one that was hatched by my broody, it was the same limp weak chick behavior -- but I think she had broken the chicks neck accidentally or it had fallen out of the box that I kept her in to sit on the eggs inside a pet carrier -- because shortly after it died. Each case is different -- so you have to do what seems best at the time.

I'm still thrilled that you got so many chicks. That is a really high success rate.

 

[hhong3138]

warmth seems to work magic on chicks sometimes.  The first hatch of Isabel x splits that I did  - one of the browns was stuck in the center of the Brinsea, there is a plastic grid that goes over the water well, so no chick can drown, but this chick (and the incubator was crowded with chicks -- ) either got shoved or wedged it's head in that tiny space between the grid and the plastic that directs the fan's air to the water reservoir in the Brinsea Mini advance.  -- When I took the chick out it was weak and kind of limp -- So I put it in the brooder under the heat and ... voila - next time I looked I couldn't even tell which chick it was.  Hope yours will recover as well.  Keeping them warm is smart. 

When I picked up one that was hatched by my broody, it was the same limp weak chick behavior -- but I think she had broken the chicks neck accidentally or it had fallen out of the box that I kept her in to sit on the eggs inside a pet carrier -- because shortly after it died.    Each case is different -- so you have to do what seems best at the time. 

I'm still thrilled that you got so many chicks.  That is a really high success rate. 

Thanks for the advice! All 3 are still alive and seem to be better. They are in brooder with the rest of the chicks now. I am happy I got 11 lavender colored out of 39

Yes, the hatching rate is pretty good (GQF genesis 1588, it has been giving me 80% to 90% hatch rate)

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks for the advice! All 3 are still alive and seem to be better. They are in brooder with the rest of the chicks now. I am happy I got 11 lavender colored out of 39

Yes, the hatching rate is pretty good (GQF genesis 1588, it has been giving me 80% to 90% hatch rate)

11 is good - Plus you got mostly females from what we are deducing, based on what we know so far.... . Every passing day that the chick in doubt makes it -- the more likely that they will continue to make it IMO. -- I had some chicks a few years ago* that needed some leg strengthening. They all ended up just fine.

Someone who is working on barred Isabels has arrived at the point where the babies are pretty obviously autosexable. That project is a bit different from mine - they want to keep crest and emphasize blue eggs. Hopefully some pictures may appear here in the future...

Meanwhile -- I think that we do have strong indicators of which will 'for sure' be a male, which are likely to be female and then there will be some that the jury will stay out until there are real indications (like a comb) -- but I have a feeling that we are definitely 'getting there'.

* thinking about the eggs I set for Easer Hatch-along.... One weighted 2.4 and something and one weighted 1.87 and something. So it would almost seem logical that the two eggs would require a bit different conditions. The average weight of all the eggs was 2.2 -- Maybe at the end I can compare the ones that don't hatch to their orginal weight and see if there is an indicaton of a pattern...