Lavender patterned Isabel duckwing barred - lavender brown cuckoo barred - project and genetic dis

[ChicKat]

I have 8 Isabel Leghorn chicks available. These are the last isabel Leghorn chicks I'm offering this year, possibly ever, as I divert my resources instead to work on projects. PM me for details if you are interested in the chicks. There are 8 chicks. They are four weeks old. I believe there are four pullets and four cockerels.




The chicks offered are siblings to this pullet. Possibility of getting some great color in these chicks.

Very pretty! Good luck. They do look like they have beautiful colors.

ETA - that great hen in all the individual part/color pictures was hatched by CJWaldon a bit over a year ago - and she is a VERY good layer of large and sometimes giant eggs.

CJ - if you get a chance -- did you sex the ones you are offering by combs at this age, or by down as babies? In the middle picture I sould guess that the three on the right are females, and in the top picture I would guess that the left-most one is male. ETA and the middle one.

 

[hhong3138]

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A lot has been happening! -- Most significant is that The Isabel flock, in total, has moved to a new home with hhong3138. If you want to get hatching eggs of Isabel leghorns or project eggs she could be a source for you. Sad to see them go. It is like your kids go off to college. They are on to the next phase of their lives. Or like you have a good employee who gets a better job. - you are happy for them and you will miss them. To my mind it is especially good that Buddy Henry's 9-years of work that went into creating the Isabel Leghorn can be carried forward to other people who want Isabels, and it is good that they went as a flock. For practical reasons though - their pens will be needed for the ones that are in the brooder now and will be going outdoors in about a week and a few days. So eggs around here will only be from the laying flock -- and I may reunite some Legbars with a legbar rooster before the end of summer to do a hatch for sustainability of my legbar flock, since I want one that has no blood from Jill Rees line and no greener eggs. There are a few folks around that have 'seed stock' from my flock - and those are the only places I would really want to get any legbars for future breeding, other than the ones I have. I also have some Silverudd's Blue Isbars. These are wonderful gentle birds that lay very well -- but they haven't had a lot of longevity for me - and I will keep the ones I have but not get more in the future most likely - as much as they are beautiful and I love the birds, and I particularly love that from the same breed you can get varied shades of green so you can know exactly who has laid an egg that day. For that little flock, I will probably keep only a trio or a quad. That puts all the rest of the 'eggs in one basket' or a lot of them anyway for me -- relying on the chicks now in the brooder and growing out to be my future producers. The one split pullet who's first egg was a double-yolker seems to be about an every-other-day layer -- with a few extras thrown in -- I suspect that she will lay around 150-180 eggs a year. An O.K. layer but not a stellar performer. Probably a hen would have to pass 200 + eggs a year to be considered a really good layer IMO. However, when she is fully mature and paired with an Isabel barred male she will produce all chicks with at least one barring gene. If the male passes his one barring gene to a son, that male will have the magic recipe of double barring. One female got a photo op before she departed -- - since the focus is always more on the males for plumage -- she sure deserves a few phtos for posterity of the project: You can see from the way the light is reflected (and the tail isn't that dark, there is a shadow of a porch pillar over her tail) -- you can seethe ehcho of the brown leghorn's gold duckwing plumage pattern. the hackles a warm straw color with a lavender stripe down the center of each feather for example. She is showing a nice white earlobe too that 'pops' with contrast. no! no! don't walk out of the picture! Oh well too late. If you look at her feather color here -- it is more like you would see in 'real life' -- that shot above this one is a bit more saturated. She has a nice long back and a deep body too in the picture above -- even if it is cut off on three sides. You can see that her tail is like a 'tent' -- there is width in her abdomen. Chickens that don't have the wider bottom tapering to the top like a tent are reputed not to be as good layers. I think I have some Legbars that have what would be called 'pinched tails' (very narrow at the bottom') - but they break the rules and are good layers. The hen in this picture is the one that laid that very very large egg - and all her eggs are quite big and very white, where as some of the other Isabels have an egg that is more 'tinted'. Offspring from this bird with the white egg may be more likely to have a blue egg, HOWEVER, white leghorns have a coloration supressor in their white - so I have seen from a posting by TAdkerson on BYC - that supresses browning - does it supress blue? Remember brown is a coating, but blue is incorporated in the shell -- so the jury is still out on that one for this project. In theory there should be no white eggs - only greens and blues -- but there isn't enough data to know anything for certain from my project as yet. There has been 1 white, 1 clear blue, and 1 green. Everyone else is too young. If you look at her comb. It is moderate for a Leghorn, and it is all upright. Since she is 1-year old, therfore fully grown I project that most likely she won't have an overly floppy comb, ever. Since I'm a fan of smaller combs - she can pass on to her offspring a not overly-large comb, HOWEVER, reading some of the older literature, they say that a big big big comb on a rooster is a sign of vigor and fertility and virility -- and female chickens like males with big combs. (supposedly female lions also prefer males with big manes -- another sign of health and vigor) A close up headshot - showing the white earlobe and the effect of the hackles when lavender dilution has done its work. The pale straw would be gold and the lavender would be black if she lacked the double recessive lavender genes. Here is a top view of the hen, she has a fairly wide area to store her egg-making factory, and plenty of room for lungs and heart to work. She has a nice frame -- and BTW weighs in at 6.5 pounds which is pretty hefty for a hen around here. There is the possibility for a chicken to get 'too fat' -- and it accompanies dual purpose breeds. Someone's book on poultry that I read was berating the barred plymouth rock for eating a lot and laying few eggs. BPRs are generally considered dual purpose. My golden comet produced a large to extra large egg daily for at least 200 eggs in a row. Her weight was about 3 1/2 pounds. So size of chicken has influence on the egg production but it could possibly be inverse to what one would think. That being said an underfed chicken wouldn't be able to produce high volumes of eggs. Sometimes mine will lay extra heavily the day after they have had a feast. I think that is one reason that commercial hen feeds usually only have about 16% protein -- it would certainly lessen the chance of a 'fat hen'. To be continued in the next post [/quote,] ChicKat, thanks for letting me have them !

 

[campingshaws]

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I love how sweet they are! Not nearly as wild as the honas.

 

[ChicKat]

ChicKat, thanks for letting me have them !

Glad that you were the buyer and I sure hope that they will perform well for you. I'm glad the way the timing worked out as well....Now I just need to refurbish those pens and disinfect those little coops and get all the needed repairs done in the next week.

 

[ChicKat]

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I love how sweet they are! Not nearly as wild as the honas.

They do look pretty angelic right there....now just wait two-weeks until they become hooligans. Sometimes brooder babies make me crazy --

 

[cjwaldon]

CJ - if you get a chance -- did you sex the ones you are offering by combs at this age, or by down as babies? In the middle picture I sould guess that the three on the right are females, and in the top picture I would guess that the left-most one is male. ETA and the middle one.

These were "sexed" based on comb size/color. Another week and it'll be pretty obvious if I got it right. I cannot sex wild type down chicks at hatch now matter how hard I try. That's one of the reasons I started working on the "Isabel cream legbars". However, I'm not clear on just what to call this project though. Is it appropriate to call them Lavender-Cream Legbars? I think they need their own catchy name, like how WLH x CCLB are called "Saphires".

 

[ChicKat]

These were "sexed" based on comb size/color. Another week and it'll be pretty obvious if I got it right. I cannot sex wild type down chicks at hatch now matter how hard I try. That's one of the reasons I started working on the "Isabel cream legbars". However, I'm not clear on just what to call this project though. Is it appropriate to call them Lavender-Cream Legbars? I think they need their own catchy name, like how WLH x CCLB are called "Saphires".

Yes, I agree that their own name would be good.

-- It could be as simple as Isabel-legbars -- because all lebars should be barred. LegBAR -- but people would confuse themselves I'm sure. Lavender Legbars would be good -- I would drop the Cream part because I think having cream dilution plus lavender dilution would make them unattractively light. IMO. That way there would be symmetry as there are Gold Legbars, Silver Legbars and Cream Legbars -- so Lavender Legbars would be a good fit for your project. -- CampingShaws selected jewel names for her chickens -- and sometimes I think that Opal would work for these guys...

Here are some internet screen grabs of jewelry:


or maybe this one on the below:




Here's one -- one time I brought up the chicken calculator in dutch and it said for lavender : parelgrijs - which translates to 'gray' - but Parel translates to pearl - so it may be 'pearl gray'.


That's pretty classy -- but they have not only the gray (lavender or 'self-blue' right?) -- but the salmon and the 'straw' color if we end up where we want with this variety.

Isabel has a certain riing to it -- also Isabella, and Isabelle and Isabelline - LPID-barred sounds a bit medical -- and if genetically an Isabel is Lavender Brown -- there is that option -- and hmmm Lavender crele.
That is the extent of my imaginings for tonight.

ETA - especially that last sibling pullet that you pictured, she does have a LOT of nice color.....

 

[hhong3138]

I also like Isabel legbar as the name！

 

[Kiki]

Yes, I agree that their own name would be good.

-- It could be as simple as Isabel-legbars -- because all lebars should be barred. LegBAR -- but people would confuse themselves I'm sure. Lavender Legbars would be good -- I would drop the Cream part because I think having cream dilution plus lavender dilution would make them unattractively light. IMO. That way there would be symmetry as there are Gold Legbars, Silver Legbars and Cream Legbars -- so Lavender Legbars would be a good fit for your project. -- CampingShaws selected jewel names for her chickens -- and sometimes I think that Opal would work for these guys...

Here are some internet screen grabs of jewelry:


or maybe this one on the below:




Here's one -- one time I brought up the chicken calculator in dutch and it said for lavender : parelgrijs - which translates to 'gray' - but Parel translates to pearl - so it may be 'pearl gray'.


That's pretty classy -- but they have not only the gray (lavender or 'self-blue' right?) -- but the salmon and the 'straw' color if we end up where we want with this variety.

Isabel has a certain riing to it -- also Isabella, and Isabelle and Isabelline - LPID-barred sounds a bit medical -- and if genetically an Isabel is Lavender Brown -- there is that option -- and hmmm Lavender crele.
That is the extent of my imaginings for tonight.

ETA - especially that last sibling pullet that you pictured, she does have a LOT of nice color.....

This actually made sense to me!
Hallelujah!

 

[cjwaldon]

There is a "pearl orange" variety of Leghorn. IMO this is what we call Isabel. However, being as the descriptions reference "pearl-gray", maybe pearl-gray would work? Pearl-Gray Legbars. I kind of like that.




Rooster head straw yellow. The throat of the throat is yellow with whitish gray shafts, in the upper part of the feathers waxy keels. Saddle hang straw yellow with indicated pearl gray shafts. Back, shoulders and wing covers orange yellow. Twist of pearls. Hand swings pearl gray with narrow, light yellow outer edge. Arm swings inside and at the end pearl gray, outer wings yellowish white, forming the yellowish white wing triangle. Chest, flanks and belly pearl-gray with narrow orange-yellow seam. Tail beaded gray.






Hen head straw yellow. The throat of the throat is yellow, with pearl-gray shafts, in the upper part of the feathers with waxy keels. Coat-like plumage cream-colored, which is largely covered with pearl-gray irrigation, so that it appears from the outside almost monochrome pearl-gray, as well as with the spring-beaten yellow feathers and every spring with exactly defined, even, straw-yellow bleeding. Chest bright salmon color. Thigh and belly yellowish pearl gray. Hand swings pearl gray with narrow yellowish white outer rim. Arm swings in pearl gray, outside in the same way as the coat plumage. Control springs predominantly pearl gray, tail springs according to the mantle plumage.


Photos and description courtesy of http://www.sv-zwerg-italiener.de/?q=node/43.