Lavender vs. Self-Blue??

[wilds of pa]

Yup i like the name Lavender as well.... as one of the developers of the USA Lav Orps and usa Lavender Araucana, i think the lav term is much better on these birds than self blue..

Here's more to add to the uprising of the USA Lavender breeds..

USA Lavender Araucana, eggs soon to be released from tuft to rumpless breedings, Ive gotten a few adult lav rumpless males out there and a few tufted tailed lav roo's and about four lav hens released so far.

Andalusian Blue Araucana

 

[danhonour]

The gene is called lav,lavender. It is not a new color for it has been known for many decades.Renolds blue,true blue,self blue,pearl grey,are all the same thing.Personally I like lavender and the fact that it matches its gene .I know the ABA and APA call it self blue,but that is such a confusing term that gets thrown around wrong all the time. There are many many examples of confusing hobby names.A more universal gene naming system would benefit everyone,but I am not holding my breath,for change in this direction is painfully slow at best.

I have for almost ten years now have been working with Lavender largefowl Minorcas,but even though they are progressing;I hold little hope of getting them in the APA standard.They were known in Begium before WW2 and C.S.th Van Gink wrote of them in the 1950's and I wrote of them in 1980 in my Spanish Breeds Book.D. J. Honour

 

[Tuffoldhen]

<---------------------- I also like the name Lavender!

 

[debstein]

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I agree here that it would be a vast improvement if colors were referenced by the genetic component instead of the hobby name. Hobby names are really deceiving, and self-blue is an example of that. That might also encourage people to really attempt to learn about the genetics of their birds and cut down on some of the misunderstandings out there. But I believe that the standards committee will call our birds self-blue because there has been a precedent set, and right or wrong - it is what it is. I do intend to write a proposal in support of the name lavender, but that's just so I can say we expressed our feelings on the matter. Regardless, at the end of the day - I will just be as thrilled as can be when a lavender silkie can compete with its cousins for best of breed honors and beyond!

Deb Steinberg

 

[pips&peeps]

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I agree here that it would be a vast improvement if colors were referenced by the genetic component instead of the hobby name. Hobby names are really deceiving, and self-blue is an example of that. That might also encourage people to really attempt to learn about the genetics of their birds and cut down on some of the misunderstandings out there. But I believe that the standards committee will call our birds self-blue because there has been a precedent set, and right or wrong - it is what it is. I do intend to write a proposal in support of the name lavender, but that's just so I can say we expressed our feelings on the matter. Regardless, at the end of the day - I will just be as thrilled as can be when a lavender silkie can compete with its cousins for best of breed honors and beyond!

Deb Steinberg

Deb,

I am the one who contacted you.

The ABC is hoping to get the lavenders recognized at the Indy meet in 2011. We are proposing the term lavender.

The Orpington Club is also looking to set their meet at that same time for their lavenders. I also contacted Tom and he said he was sticking with self blue, so I went no further with the topic.....

As said by a few posters, the term self blue is too confusing. We want to continue to encourage new members into the poultry world and APA & ABA.

I believe Sam has already been contacted by John Blehm regarding this issue and has communicated little back about it. You will have supporters in us and the Orpington Club regarding the name, so I would "name drop" in your letter. We are also going to propose the color name to be lavender but refer to the description in the SOP that defines self blue, that way the revision will be easy to add to the existing literature.

 

[wilds of pa]

If the the APA goes with the term self blue on these unrecognized colors in these particular large breeds so be it.. (Orpington, ameraucana, araucana etc..)

However as a breeder and developer of the Lavender Oprington and Araucana they will still be advertised as Lavender which we set in stone here..

Once our project jubilee orpingtons are were we want them, they will carry that name as well (jubilee orpingtons) and will not be called Mille-fleur orpington..

As for the orpington club which we are paying members, we here have not heard anything on this club trying to get them into the standard.
however Lavender Orpington have only been in development since 2007 here in the USA when we started them..so they have not been bred in the USA more than so..

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

For all of y'all developing the lavenders, regardless of breed, I would suggenst starting the politicing now of all APA & ABA board members; not just the standards committee; build as wide a support base as you can, and if there are any other recognised varieties that go by different names depending on the breed, use that as a precedent. A less compelling precedent is the different standards for barred, black tailed red, golden laced or spangled based upon breed.

 

[pips&peeps]

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The Orpington Club does not have anything set in stone at this point, but there are other breeders that have been working on the lavender color before 2007.

 

[briarpatchfarms]

I think Lavender Silkies are supposed to be excepted at the 2010 APA nationals in Oklahoma. Correct me if I'm wrong, Deb.

 

[wilds of pa]

none that we all know of with lavender orps before 2007 when our project began...... maybe imports..??? were, when, would love to see them..

they sure aren't from your neck of the woods, all though i sent about 150+ LAVENDER orp project chicks to your state (WA) alone and numerous eggs AND SPLITS there as well, I got documentation of everybody who got them from me..even ones who tried to be sneaky, we know were they went....