Let’s Talk About Bird Flu

[C Siena]

Are you using the tea extract as a constant addition to water, are you offering it as an alternative or are you batch dosing? I am a little confused here.

Agree. I want to read more about it. I'm thinking of starting with a small amount of green tea water in the afternoon. Only fresh in the morning. We need to read more. I wouldn't want to Only give the g tea water.

 

[TOMTE]

Another thought, okay, I'm weird. We have wild birds but have not had a bird bath. I wonder if putting green tea water in the bath, might help with their immune system. Just my random thoughts.

I wouldn't mess with the wild birds in that way. Usually does more harm than good.

 

[Goosebaby]

Yes but they are all in science speak.


There's such a low profit margin for commercial they probably aren't going to try it until the research is farther along.

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9137694/

Many substances interfere with viral replication in vitro, not necessarily because they’re super antiviral substances, but simply because existing in a Petri dish while not being a cell the virus needs to infect can make it an obstacle blocking the virus from finding the cell it wants to infect, think of the substance like an umbrella blocking the rain. Other substances can break viruses down but if it can destroy a virus what is it doing to your cells? Bleach destroys viruses but I wouldn’t put it in my body.

The problem, with studies is they’re written by researchers for mostly other researchers, so they don’t pause to explain details that are obvious to them but aren’t to lay persons like us, it would take to long and distract from conveying pertinent information.

Also because they’re research papers, it means that it isn’t necessarily the full picture, meaning that the point of the findings are just the current results published in that paper, it may not cover what long term health effects may rise or various other implications of a substance might be beyond that particular research study.

A good example is allicin. In vitro studies of allicin against mold, bacteria, and viruses have shown it to be a miraculous substance that pretty much nukes all of those baddies. The problem is to get that kind of concentration of allicin in a living body to have that level of effect before it breaks down would be bad, the liver would fail and it’s all down hill from there.

The study you linked definitely shows promising results with antiviral and antimicrobial effects on the gut, boosting gut health will strengthen the immune system and weaken the dependence on antibiotics. The only criticisms I have for the study is (A) it shows that there were noticeable antimicrobial effects against positive and negative bacteria and cited green tea as a positive in fighting off pathogens but the study didn’t examine how that would potentially negatively affect beneficial bacteria.
If it’s killing gut microbes indiscriminately there isn’t much of a benefit over broad spectrum antibiotics. Either way they’re weakening the overall immune system by killing the good bacteria. You’ll see some positive results with either at first but long term it may be a different story. If a known pathogen is present it would be better to administer a specialized antibiotic rather than any broad spectrum antibiotic or equally broad spectrum natural remedy.

Later in the paper it cites that green tea can actually promote the growth of beneficial bacteria while inhibiting bad bacteria, and it cites another study. I looked up that study and their findings were that while it promoted some beneficial effects, it also promoted the growth of bacteria that causes inflammation and chronic conditions. So it’s anti inflammatory which boosts the immune system but also pro inflammatory which harms the immune system.

My other criticism is that it’s purported anti-viral and anti-fungal effects aren’t very clearly described, neither are specific viral strains. If it’s working on boosting gut mucosa that does have antibacterial, antiviral, anti fungal effects but that isn’t a guarantee against any kind of infection or limiting morbidity/mortality.


The key takeaways with this is yeah it can boost the immune system but there are side effects like with most things and it isn’t going to be a magical cure that keeps HPAI from being as lethal as it currently is.

 

[Molpet]

Many substances interfere with viral replication in vitro, not necessarily because they’re super antiviral substances, but simply because existing in a Petri dish while not being a cell the virus needs to infect can make it an obstacle blocking the virus from finding the cell it wants to infect, think of the substance like an umbrella blocking the rain. Other substances can break viruses down but if it can destroy a virus what is it doing to your cells? Bleach destroys viruses but I wouldn’t put it in my body.

The problem, with studies is they’re written by researchers for mostly other researchers, so they don’t pause to explain details that are obvious to them but aren’t to lay persons like us, it would take to long and distract from conveying pertinent information.

Also because they’re research papers, it means that it isn’t necessarily the full picture, meaning that the point of the findings are just the current results published in that paper, it may not cover what long term health effects may rise or various other implications of a substance might be beyond that particular research study.

A good example is allicin. In vitro studies of allicin against mold, bacteria, and viruses have shown it to be a miraculous substance that pretty much nukes all of those baddies. The problem is to get that kind of concentration of allicin in a living body to have that level of effect before it breaks down would be bad, the liver would fail and it’s all down hill from there.

The study you linked definitely shows promising results with antiviral and antimicrobial effects on the gut, boosting gut health will strengthen the immune system and weaken the dependence on antibiotics. The only criticisms I have for the study is (A) it shows that there were noticeable antimicrobial effects against positive and negative bacteria and cited green tea as a positive in fighting off pathogens but the study didn’t examine how that would potentially negatively affect beneficial bacteria.
If it’s killing gut microbes indiscriminately there isn’t much of a benefit over broad spectrum antibiotics. Either way they’re weakening the overall immune system by killing the good bacteria. You’ll see some positive results with either at first but long term it may be a different story. If a known pathogen is present it would be better to administer a specialized antibiotic rather than any broad spectrum antibiotic or equally broad spectrum natural remedy.

Later in the paper it cites that green tea can actually promote the growth of beneficial bacteria while inhibiting bad bacteria, and it cites another study. I looked up that study and their findings were that while it promoted some beneficial effects, it also promoted the growth of bacteria that causes inflammation and chronic conditions. So it’s anti inflammatory which boosts the immune system but also pro inflammatory which harms the immune system.

My other criticism is that it’s purported anti-viral and anti-fungal effects aren’t very clearly described, neither are specific viral strains. If it’s working on boosting gut mucosa that does have antibacterial, antiviral, anti fungal effects but that isn’t a guarantee against any kind of infection or limiting morbidity/mortality.


The key takeaways with this is yeah it can boost the immune system but there are side effects like with most things and it isn’t going to be a magical cure that keeps HPAI from being as lethal as it currently is.

Yes
Definitely needs more studies