Let's talk Golden Cuckoo Marans!

[morbius18]

No, I am not a smart a--s. I tried 5 times in 3 years to get started in Golden Salmon. It is a very difficult color to get right because it is so simple and pure in a breed which is rife with color crossings and modifier genes. Plus, the cocks lie about their color often. Hiding color modifiers which only show up in their get. The hens., if they are pure, and the pure chick down never lie. They are absolutely definitive for proper pure color. Thu, the most scarce color in GSM is the pure hen. The most difficult color to detect is a pure GSM cock. Between trying to obtain a pure sire and dam, this color is extremely difficult to find foundation stock.
  Now we can mix some other colors based on e+ and/or eWh and then work to winnow out GSM. However,  the elephants in the bedroom are autosomal red and the Melanin(sp?) genes.  They are tough to get rid of and the autosomal red is really hard. Look around and see how many people have Red Shouldered Silver Duckwings , believing they truly have a Silver Salmon instead. Then they wonder why the chicks aren't GSM. Or people get confused that a Golden Duckwing is a Silver Salmon and try breeding them to another Duckwing, then get these calico Duckwings, sigh.
   I have so much respect for Bev Davis. She kept on plugging away at the autosomal red and now after 5+ years , looks like she has it winnowed out of her GSM.  Just a huge accomplishment for the variety.

 Best,
 Karen

I apologize then. You seem very knowledgeable on the Golden Salmon marans. I have no clue about them, instead choosing to work with the Golden Cuckoos, of the ER variety. The more you learn, it seems like you find out how little you really know. I learn something every day, and am still learning.

 

[3riverschick]

I apologize then. You seem very knowledgeable on the Golden Salmon marans. I have no clue about them, instead choosing to work with the Golden Cuckoos, of the ER variety. The more you learn, it seems like you find out how little you really know. I learn something every day, and am still learning.

Hi,
Not a problem. You are wise. The Golden Cuckoo really needs dedicated breeders like yourself. It's such a pretty color and deserves to be recognized. I know the APA is taking a 2nd look at how many varieties a breed can support. I hope you can get your Golden Cuckoos in while the door is still open. There's a reason rare varieties/breeds are rare. In the case of the GSM, it's the very severely small pool of pure birds. I doubt they will ever be recognized. I think they will always be a niche variety.
Yet, GSM is so valuable because it is the base color of the breed. Add anything to it and it disappears. That makes it very valuable if a breed color disappears and needs to be recreated. Guess you could say it could be an "emergency base " color of sorts, smile. It's like a blank color canvas upon which you can paint any other color. Then spend several generations winnowing out e+ attributes ( like the chipmunk stripes in the chick down). The color would not need winnowing unless one didn't desire the Gold gene in whatever color they were creating.
Best,
Karen

 

[morbius18]

 Hi,
 Not a problem. You are wise. The Golden Cuckoo really needs dedicated breeders like yourself. It's such a pretty color and deserves to be recognized. I know the APA is taking a 2nd look at how many varieties a breed can support. I hope you can get your Golden Cuckoos in while the door is still open.
 Best,
 Karen

If not, I'll still continue breeding them, as I really love this variety.

 

[morbius18]

F1s getting even nicer colors. Im getting ready to set a dozen from this trio.

 

[morbius18]

Golden cuckoo olive eggers are looking very GCM as well.

 

[Our Roost]

I have 3 GCM hens and after the winter months and cold weather hampered egg laying cycles, the 3 of them are now back to laying nice rich brown eggs. For some reason, and I dont know if it was climate conditions or not, their egg paint sprayers internally were not working properly. Glad to be seeing the color in their eggs return to normal.

 

[cree57i]

F1s getting even nicer colors. Im getting ready to set a dozen from this trio.

Very nice! I am selling the last of my old GCM's locally today as layers. I am very excited to be getting some of your eggs. Out with the old...These look SO much better than mine did!

 

[Chooks man]

Bravo Morbius18 your GCM trio bird are stunning especially the 2 hen s they are right on the money. that the way they should look ER Golden Barred hen s.
the Rooster is exellent in color but I fund him standing to tall, seem he need a little mass or just he s far . I like his tail . I like him a lot any way.

you are on the right truck don t worry about the APA . breed to the true French standard no translation needed .there is one type GCM and is the ER one. I don t know what the US APA call for.

Keep doing what you are all ready doing you are on the right truck don t worries, We need breeders like you my friend, they get the job done ( Army veteran ) BRAVO.

mine are doing good the cockerel is a litle tall and leagy but the pullets are nice

I need to take a few photos.

 

[morbius18]

Bravo Morbius18 your GCM trio bird are stunning especially the 2 hen s they are right on the money. that the way they should look ER Golden Barred hen s.
the Rooster is exellent in color but I fund him standing to tall, seem he need a little mass or just he s far . I like his tail . I like him a lot any way.

you are on the right truck don t worry about the APA . breed to the true French standard no translation needed .there is one type GCM and is the ER one. I don t know what the US APA call for.

Keep doing what you are all ready doing you are on the right truck don t worries, We need breeders like you my friend, they get the job done ( Army veteran ) BRAVO.

mine are doing good the cockerel is a litle tall and leagy but the pullets are nice

I need to take a few photos.

The Cockeral doesn't usually stand that tall, He was looking for an escape from me taking photos of him. The 3rd picture is his usual posture.

 

[Chooks man]

Yeah I see in the third picture he stand like his father . what the egg s color of the pullets please. are you happy about.

cheers