Let's talk Golden Cuckoo Marans!

[morbius18]

Hey Morbius18.he look like a marans roo. if you cross him to a black copper hen how lay dark egg you will create 2 line from him very easy in a couple of days.

chooks man

That's exactly what I did. The pictures I have been posting in this thread are the F1s.

rooster:

Hen:

Offspring hatched from dark eggs. I only hatched the darkest colored ones on the right. This is a sample of all my colored eggs, but shows her darkness in those 2:

F1 cockerals:

F1 pullets:

 

[morbius18]

I also mentioned Golden Cuckoo Marans crosses to easter egger (blue layers)

Same Rooster:

Two main hens:

Hatched from blue eggs on left:

F1 olive egger:

At a few days old:

About 1 month:

These f1 olive egger hybrids strongly resemble my f1 Golden cuckoo and nlack copper marans cross. I'm hoping they will look very similar to the F1 Golden cuckoo marans I posted above.

Below are pictures of the F1 Golden Cuckoo marans to compare to the above 2 pics. They are close to the same age:


F1 golden cuckoo marans at a few days old:

Group f1 Golden Cuckoo marans at approximately 1 month:

One f1 Golden cuckoo marans at approximately 1 month:

So the f1 golden cuckoo marans looked plain cuckoo for quite a while then colored up really quickly. The down color of the f1 olive eggers matched the down color of the f1 golden cuckoo marans, even down to the gold head spots.

My goal is Golden Cuckoo olive eggers that resemble golden cuckoo marans, with the exception of pea combs, muffs and beards. I'm optimistic that will be the case.

 

[Chooks man]

Hi Morbius18 I see you done a good job with your golden cuckoo rooster.I m impressed. I ll do the same if i had him.

Now you have too route to take to create 2 line from him.
option 1) put him over his daughters to create an F2. ;line A
option 2) cross the F1 to the F1 to get the F2 B. you will have a nice pure golden cuckoo coming out of this cross ;line B

Olive eggers I don t know much about them

good job and Bravo
chooks man

 

[morbius18]

Hi Morbius18 I see you done a good job with your golden cuckoo rooster.I m impressed. I ll do the same if i had him.

Now you have too route to take to create 2 line from him.
option 1) put him over his daughters to create an F2. ;line A
option 2) cross the F1 to the F1 to get  the F2 B. you will have a nice pure golden cuckoo coming out of this cross ;line B

Olive eggers I don t know much about them

good job and Bravo
chooks man

I was going to do the option 1. I ended up with 2 pullets and 5 cockerals. I'm reserving 1 cockeral as a backup, since he is only single barred. I was hoping for more F1 pullets, but I can work with 2.

The olive eggers are more of a novelty. I hatched some before Christmas, so come spring/summer here, I can sell laying olive egger hens for $20-25 each. Just a little supplemental income for feed. Plus it lets me play with bringing the genetics from my GCM rooster into other breeds. This last batch I used a dominant white hen with only 1 copy, so I got to learn a little about white, a color I know nothing about.

 

[Chooks man]

That normal the F1 cockerel is a single dose B/b+ like his sisters they are also B/b+.
with 2 pullets ( your are nice ) you can do both option; mate them first with they sire make a few chicks and swap the rooster and put the cockerel ( they brother ) over them and catch few chicks from them Line B.
in the F2 generation you will have a DF ( double factor B/B ) cockerels.from both option

 

[morbius18]

That normal the F1 cockerel is a single dose B/b+ like his sisters they are also B/b+.
with 2 pullets ( your are nice ) you can do both option; mate them first with they sire make a few chicks and swap the rooster and put the cockerel ( they brother ) over them and catch few chicks from them Line B.
in the F2 generation you will have a DF ( double factor B/B ) cockerels.from both option

Will mating the f1 pullets with the f1 cockerel not yield half B/b+ cockerels? Is there any advantage to doing this mating?

This is the mating plan I am going by, using the sire as the F0 rooster and the 2 f1 hens as the f0s in the first year plan.

http://www.maransofamericaclub.com/inbreeding-chickens.html

 

[Chooks man]

F1 X F1 mating is a good way to know what your parent stock birds are . witch genetic family .ER. EWh .e+ etc......
by crossing the F1 between them selves you get the chance to see the recessive genes and breed them out.

when we don t do that and we cross the progeny back to they parent stock ,we ll never know the recessive genes and they will be passed down to they progeny.that what caused different colour chicks come out some times from an established pure line.

in your case if your rooster is ER/ER.,than the F1 crossed between them selves will give this result. 25% each; - Golden Cuckoo pullets. - Golden cuckoo cockerels DF. -Golden cuckoo Dark cockerels and Black copper pullets.
if he isn t than you will know what are you breeding

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

F1 X F1 mating is a good way to know what your parent stock birds are . witch genetic family .ER. EWh .e+ etc......
by crossing the F1 between them selves you get the chance to see the recessive genes and breed them out.

when we don t do that and we cross the progeny back to they parent stock ,we ll never know the recessive genes and they will be passed down to they progeny.that what caused different colour chicks come out some times from an established pure line.

in your case if your rooster is ER/ER.,than the F1 crossed between them selves will give this result. 25% each; - Golden Cuckoo pullets. - Golden cuckoo cockerels DF. -Golden cuckoo Dark cockerels and Black copper pullets.
if he isn t than you will know what are you breeding

chooks man

That makes sense. Thanks!

Would this be the correct genotype?

 

[Chooks man]

Here what happen to me with a Birchen marans.
my friend he bough a birchen hen. exellent type egg color 5 at her best.
he cross t with a BCM rooster egg color 4( work in progress ) he got the F1 only one birchen cockerel ( impure S/s+ Gold/Silver ) the rest BCM .
next year he crossed the birchen cockerel back over his mam = he got the F2 all the pullets 8 where Birchen but the cockerel where impure Golden/silver but one of them was a pure silver.

He passed his chooks to me to work with them and develop them.
last year I crossed this F2 pullets and 2 of thet brothers together = F3 here what I got .50% Birchen. both sexes . 25% Black copper only pullets. 12.5% Golden duckwing( salmon type chick) and 12.5% silver Duckwing.
you see my friend where the duckwing ( wild type) chicks come from . the Black coppers where expected but NOT the a Salmon.

now this F3 Birchen are more pure and can be bred as a pure strain. maybe one more crossing in the future I want to make sure no recessive genes is left there.

So it important that when we make a crosses we have to cross the F1 generation between them selves.

 

[morbius18]

Here what happen to me with a Birchen marans.
my friend he bough a birchen hen. exellent type egg color 5 at her best.
he cross t with a BCM rooster egg color 4( work in progress ) he got the F1 only one birchen cockerel ( impure S/s+ Gold/Silver ) the rest BCM .
next year he crossed the birchen cockerel back over his mam = he got the F2  all the pullets 8 where Birchen but the cockerel where impure Golden/silver but one of them was a pure silver.

He passed his chooks to me to work with them and develop them.
last year I crossed this F2 pullets and 2 of thet brothers together = F3 here what I got .50% Birchen. both sexes . 25% Black copper only pullets. 12.5% Golden duckwing( salmon type chick) and 12.5% silver Duckwing.
you see my friend where the duckwing ( wild type) chicks come from . the Black coppers where expected but NOT the a Salmon.

now this F3 Birchen are more pure and can be bred as a pure strain. maybe one more crossing in the future I want to make sure no recessive genes is left there.

So it important that when we make a crosses we have to cross the F1 generation between them selves.

Thanks for the info. I will definitely cross the f1s to check for recessives.