Let's talk "relocation"

[21hens-incharge]

I am in the northern part of the state. Not close to any bordering state but not so far either.

 

[shortgrass]

I am in the northern part of the state. Not close to any bordering state but not so far either.

Odd ... Lol so am I

I bet we're closer than we think ha-ha...

Well so, neighbor...literally lol.... You would actually be the best person to ask this then.... AS A NEIGHBOR WITH LIVESTOCK.

Hypothetical of course... If I had a farm, next to yours, and I decided I wanted to getcsay...100 pheasant, 100 wild turkey, 100 bobwhites, let them go, and hunt my meat at on 200 acres of my own land, abutting yours.. They're going to multiply, get loose, run amuck, ....possibly transfer disease if I didn't quarantine,.... But I TRY to keep them on my property... They just don't.

You end up with mybexcess birds, possibly the predators, maybe even wipe out your whole flock with some pathogen...


Just for conversation sake

Do you happen to know where Tamarack wildlife area is? That's what I'm talking about; a hunting preserve...

Would YOU be comfortable with your neighbor doing that? ESPECIALLY if I DIDNT know what the consequences could be?

Sorry lol, not picking on you, but youvARE technically my neighbor lol, we have the same predators etc, so you would understand our ecosystem here better than some, I would think

 

[21hens-incharge]

Well in that scenario I do think I would be rather ticked off. Once the predators decided catching the ones that can escape is to dang hard I am sure they would come after my less than flighted Brahmas.

Thinking I would help the predators out and eliminate the released birds from the ecosystem. Thereby encouraging them to move along. I do also think they would have a tendency to come a visiting on my property to enjoy the free food from my little piggies.
One side note is that when the prey animals increase in numbers not only does it draw already existing predators to the area but with enough food sources they multiply.....until that source is gone then disease and starvation force them to make changes either by dying or finding another food source.
Yup I do say that it would not make me happy one bit.

 

[shortgrass]

Well in that scenario I do think I would be rather ticked off. Once the predators decided catching the ones that can escape is to dang hard I am sure they would come after my less than flighted Brahmas.

Thinking I would help the predators out and eliminate the released birds from the ecosystem. Thereby encouraging them to move along. I do also think they would have a tendency to come a visiting on my property to enjoy the free food from my little piggies.
One side note is that when the prey animals increase in numbers not only does it draw already existing predators to the area but with enough food sources they multiply.....until that source is gone then disease and starvation force them to make changes either by dying or finding another food source.
Yup I do say that it would not make me happy one bit.

Well that's where I sit.... The reason for this thread, my inquiries... I have a hunting preserve butted up next to my property, on a river....

Needless to say, between kind hearted folks just wanting the coons to go free, they put them smack dab in the middle of my livestock; we have a serious problem with rabid sick coons everywhere.... Then there's hunters shooting my ducks.... I'm at the point of getting my OWN "hunting" preserve just because I feel like I'm feeding the natives, and I lose money while they CHARGE people to come shoot OUR ducks....

I KNOW the damage "relocation" etc can do; I'm living it first hand.

 

[21hens-incharge]

Sadly since that is where you live and you are losing ducks you have no choice. You have to lock yours up or lose them.

It is a price we pay for the view of the preserve.

If I were you I would build a run for them and keep them in it. No sense in continuing to lose them. That or switch breeds to only the pure white ones. That way no one can say "Hey I mistook it for a wild duck".

 

[Finnie]

And have some focus. Thread is jumping around between pest management and wildlife management as a whole and even exotics.

Expecting to control the focus of a thread on a discussion forum would be like trying to herd cats.

 

[IceAngel]

Needless to say, between kind hearted folks just wanting the coons to go free, they put them smack dab in the middle of my livestock; we have a serious problem with rabid sick coons everywhere.... .

If you have a rabies outbreak on the adjacent reserve and nobody is culling the vector, someone is not doing their job. If any rabid animal is found in our area, measures are taken immediately to curtail the spread. As a result, rabid animals are a rare occurrence. If you have knowledge of a rabid animal in your area it must be reported or your are inadvertently contributing to the spread of the disease.
Rabies is a very dangerous disease dangerous to humans. Rabid animals behave erratically....you may see nocturnal and crepuscular animals like bats and racoons behaving strangely during daylight hours. If they drop dead in your yard, the family dog or cat will check out the corpse. They don't have to be bitten to become infected and by the time you see the external signs of illness in the family pets, it's too late for them......and possibly you.

That's why it's so important to be vigilant and demand quarantine and culling of infected animals. If your Gov. officials are not doing enough to resolve the problem contact the Health Department and get local social media on your side. Just to give you an example..... a report of a large cougar hanging around a small community nearby fell on deaf ears. The R.C.M.P. and Wildlife Officers refused to respond because cougars are endemic to our region. People in the community brought this concern to a Facebook Bulletin Board for their area and both R.C.M.P. and Wildlife Officers were forced to respond due to all the complaints. They probably just told the cougar to "shoo" but you can't under estimate the power of social media.

Regardless of the relocation problem in your area, predators will occupy every possible niche to get prey. If it's not a dumped racoon that's getting your livestock, a wild one will claim your territory. Best be pro-active and find ways to keep your animals safe.

Clip the wings of your ducks so that they can't fly.....maybe check with duck experts first because it might affect their ability to swim.

 

[aart]

Expecting to control the focus of a thread on a discussion forum would be like trying to herd cats.

...or a herd of chickens...lol.


Couldn't find anything concrete about raccoon's in my state other than relocation outside county was not permitted...but it was very vague about nuisance animals, call a 'nuisance animal contractor'.

My view on relocation of chicken predators and/or nuisance animals.

It's really better to kill them...for many reasons.

-You've just introduced trap savvy pest/predator animals into someone else's 'backyard'.

-The spread of disease is a very real aspect and why it's illegal in many states to relocate trapped predator animals.

-Releasing an animal into another animals territory could well sign it's death warrant anyway, in case you were thinking of 'saving' the 'poor little creature'. Probably a worse death than a quick shot to the head or even a 'trashcan drowning'.

Since we've displaced their habitat (and more importantly their natural predators habitat) and fed them to overpopulation with our garbage...IMO, it is our duty to become the 'apex predator' and kill them when they become a problem to the extent that we need to trap them.

 

[Finnie]

It's really better to kill them...for many reasons.

-You've just introduced trap savvy pest/predator animals into someone else's 'backyard'.

-The spread of disease is a very real aspect and why it's illegal in many states to relocate trapped predator animals.

-Releasing an animal into another animals territory could well sign it's death warrant anyway, in case you were thinking of 'saving' the 'poor little creature'. Probably a worse death than a quick shot to the head or even a 'trashcan drowning'.

Since we've displaced their habitat (and more importantly their natural predators habitat) and fed them to overpopulation with our garbage...IMO, it is our duty to become the 'apex predator' and kill them when they become a problem to the extent that we need to trap them.

Well said and very reasonable, despite what those who are "sensitive" to the feelings of animals might think.

 

[shortgrass]

Well said and very reasonable, despite what those who are "sensitive" to the feelings of animals might think.

I agree, very well said...

Being "sensitive" to animals feelings and then making a decision to make it fight for its life?.... Seems more "sensitive" to humanely dispatch it than subject it to torture for its final days....

You all make some very good points; and as a landowner with animals, I have to do something different than hope that I can trap and dispose, lock everything up tight, and keep mum until I go postal and turn into Danielle Boone; max the trap limit out...

In all seriousness, I am breeding my mallards with runners in hopes that they just won't fly... I've clipped wings onlybto worry that they can't escape if they need to... I had to give up on having Teals and Pintails; forget about the Wood Ducks too...

I'm just trying to have a little piece of peace, and its making me bitter towards all raccoons

The rabies.... Oh my the rabies... Now that I brought it up I'm scared to say anything. I can't shoot random animals if I think they're infected... But I don't know what to do other than try to vaccinate everything, and that's accomplishing nothing more than draining my pocketbook.... Yeah, I need to have a talk with the County Wildlife...

Oh its a headache.