LGBTQ+ Poultry Keepers

[Sally PB]

ae/aer is ay/air and xe/xem is zay/zem!

Thank you!

 

[TheOddOneOut]

Well, for me it just doesn't fit right! I'm okay with it but I prefer people use my neopronouns! They/them just doesn't fully represent my gender identity and expression. Ae/aers and xe/xem fit my gender identity much better! I don't consider myself to be gender-neutral or genderless; rather my gender is outside the binary! I hope that makes sense

Not one bit, lol. I am confused.

 

[OmnipotentOrpington]

Not one bit, lol. I am confused.

Well, if you're confused about the gender identity part, then-
There's a spectrum of gender identities! The binary genders are male and female, and oftentimes those who identify with those genders present accordingly, and use the pronouns associated with the gender (he/him and she/her respectively). Of course, it's becoming more and more common to see men presenting femininely, women presenting masculine, and both presenting androgynously! You'll also find that because pronouns =/= gender, many cisgender people use gender-neutral pronouns, or just don't mind which ones you use for them!
Now, non-binary genders are a bit more complicated! It's a spectrum of feeling genderless to feeling like a gender outside of the binary! There are many non-binary genders from agender (feeling like you have no gender/ you can't identify it) to xenogenders (which is a bit more complicated, but to put it simply, genders with themes such as nouns, archetypes, synesthetic experiences, and neurodivergences).
I don't feel genderless-rather that my gender is outside of the binary- closer to xenogender than agender, so my gender experience is unique to me! They/them doesn't fit me because it feels like it isn't gendered, whereas my preferred pronouns are!

Sorry for the block of text, I hope it answers your question! And if not, feel free to specify what you would like to know and I'd love to help

 

[TheOddOneOut]

Well, if you're confused about the gender identity part, then-
There's a spectrum of gender identities! The binary genders are male and female, and oftentimes those who identify with those genders present accordingly, and use the pronouns associated with the gender (he/him and she/her respectively). Of course, it's becoming more and more common to see men presenting femininely, women presenting masculine, and both presenting androgynously! You'll also find that because pronouns =/= gender, many cisgender people use gender-neutral pronouns, or just don't mind which ones you use for them!
Now, non-binary genders are a bit more complicated! It's a spectrum of feeling genderless to feeling like a gender outside of the binary! There are many non-binary genders from agender (feeling like you have no gender/ you can't identify it) to xenogenders (which is a bit more complicated, but to put it simply, genders with themes such as nouns, archetypes, synesthetic experiences, and neurodivergences).
I don't feel genderless-rather that my gender is outside of the binary- closer to xenogender than agender, so my gender experience is unique to me! They/them doesn't fit me because it feels like it isn't gendered, whereas my preferred pronouns are!

Sorry for the block of text, I hope it answers your question! And if not, feel free to specify what you would like to know and I'd love to help

I understand genders - just not all those fancy new made-up pronouns. I get she/her/hers and he/him/his, and they/them/theirs. But I don't get the other stuff.

 

[aart]

ugh. radfems are the worst.

Just goes to show, bigotry is everywhere.

 

[aart]

Well, for me it just doesn't fit right! I'm okay with it but I prefer people use my neopronouns! They/them just doesn't fully represent my gender identity and expression. Ae/aers and xe/xem fit my gender identity much better! I don't consider myself to be gender-neutral or genderless; rather my gender is outside the binary! I hope that makes sense

Sense? Maybe, kinda.
Believe me I understand the desire to move away from the binary stereotypes of appearance, behaviors, partners, I've fought it for 60+ years, but I don't think this whole 'new language'(all the different descriptions of people) is tenable in the wider world beyond academic/philosophical discussions. Most people are unfamiliar with it, and it keeps changing. Will you be angry with people who don't speak that new language and address you 'incorrectly'?
But still....Kudos to the young generations trying to implement awareness and change.

 

[Sally PB]

But still....Kudos to the young generations trying to implement awareness and change.

Yes!

It will take a while for it all to "shake out and settle down," but it's started, and that's a first step. And about time, too, IMO.

 

[OmnipotentOrpington]

I understand genders - just not all those fancy new made-up pronouns. I get she/her/hers and he/him/his, and they/them/theirs. But I don't get the other stuff.

If you think about it, all pronouns are made up! And if you scroll a little bit back, I linked a good resource that might help you understand a bit more; I'm afraid I'm not very good with words

Will you be angry with people who don't speak that new language and address you 'incorrectly'?

It depends! If they're actually trying to understand and mess up, of course I'll be forgiving. But if they just decide that it's too confusing and don't even try to address me properly, then yes, I'd consider it misgendering and be upset.

'new language'(all the different descriptions of people) is tenable in the wider world beyond academic/philosophical discussions. Most people are unfamiliar with it, and it keeps changing.
But still....Kudos to the young generations trying to implement awareness and change.

I've done a fair bit of research regarding neopronouns, and interestingly enough, they've been around for a while! People throughout history have tried to implement gender neutral alternatives (though most of the time they've flopped); so it's nothing new! I personally believe that remembering somebody's pronouns is like remembering their name. You might forget and have to ask, but if you know them well then you'll easily remember and be able to address them accordingly!
As for the people being unfamiliar about it, I think that goes for a lot of things in history! Especially concerning queer history. People used to be very confused by same-sex attraction and transgender people, until, as more awareness was brought, more acceptance was too!

 

[aart]

People throughout history have tried to implement gender neutral alternatives (though most of the time they've flopped); so it's nothing new!

How long ago.....why did they fail?

But if they just decide that it's too confusing and don't even try to address me properly, then yes, I'd consider it misgendering and be upset

Will you hand out instructions, similar to what you explained above?
I think it's a lot to ask, more complex than remembering someone name(which many, including me, have trouble with).

 

[OmnipotentOrpington]

How long ago.....why did they fail?

The first ones were created throughout the late 18th and the 19th century. They didn't fail so much as they died out. People just didn't want to use them and they were widely ignored by the public. People opted for he/him, which was seen as a gender-neutral pronoun (even though it erased half the population).

Will you hand out instructions, similar to what you explained above?
I think it's a lot to ask, more complex than remembering someone name(which many, including me, have trouble with).

Yes of course! I understand the confusion surrounding it, so I'd absolutely explain it to them! It is a lot to ask, but I'd rather ask somebody to do that to make me more comfortable than suffer the misgendering in silence. An analogy in one of my favorite queer books explained it well; it's like getting a rock in your shoe-a small spike of solvable discomfort.