LGBTQ+ Poultry Keepers

[TwoCrows]

Well those are some model birds you got there! You don't want to know how long it took for me to take this picView attachment 3603525

Oh and I think this photo could definitely win in one of our contests, it's clear, up close and the bird looks fabulous!

 

[fluffycrow]

Oh and I think this photo could definitely win in one of our contests, it's clear, up close and the bird looks fabulous!

Yes they don't want to stand still! No matter how long you fussed with this one, it was worth it, he's gorgeous! ❤

Thank you! He's scraggly right now, I can't wait till his mature feathers come in! I would like to enter him and one of his pullets in the poultry show however

 

[fluffycrow]

By the way, going back to what is learnt behavior vs what is genetic, we've had this discussion with Jacin a while back, but do you think that broodiness is learnt, genetic, or both. You know I love my broody discussions

 

[TwoCrows]

By the way, going back to what is learnt behavior vs what is genetic, we've had this discussion with Jacin a while back, but do you think that broodiness is learnt, genetic, or both. You know I love my broody discussions

The act of broodiness itself is both genetic and hormonal, some breeds are more prone than others and hormone levels determine the depth of broodiness. I don't think momma can teach her babies to be broody, they either have it or they don't. However I do believe what momma teaches them about finding food and water, dustbathing and danger, all gets stored in their genes as learned techniques to later teach their babies. So a good broody momma will produce smarter, stronger babies.

It's a known fact that pen/human raised Quail can not be released into the wild and survive. They are unable to find food, water or protect themselves from predators. Had these same Quail been raised by a broody momma in the wild, the odds of survival shoot way up to normal wild bird survival rates. Nature has to make these broody signals so clear to babies to keep the species alive. Very interesting and mysterious!

 

[JacinLarkwell]

By the way, going back to what is learnt behavior vs what is genetic, we've had this discussion with Jacin a while back, but do you think that broodiness is learnt, genetic, or both. You know I love my broody discussions

I think it's both

 

[Canadian Wind]

By the way, going back to what is learnt behavior vs what is genetic, we've had this discussion with Jacin a while back, but do you think that broodiness is learnt, genetic, or both. You know I love my broody discussions

I'm on the genetics side, for the most part. Remember, humans (in their stupidity) have bred the instinct out of a lot of breeds, so they wouldn't lose valuable laying time. >.>

Have I mentioned how much I dislike the human race?

 

[fluffycrow]

I'm on the genetics side, for the most part. Remember, humans (in their stupidity) have bred the instinct out of a lot of breeds, so they wouldn't lose valuable laying time. >.>

Have I mentioned how much I dislike the human race?

I would've responded with photos of you mentioning it, but I'm too bored to do it to be honest. Guess I'm just another human...

 

[fluffycrow]

The act of broodiness itself is both genetic and hormonal, some breeds are more prone than others and hormone levels determine the depth of broodiness. I don't think momma can teach her babies to be broody, they either have it or they don't. However I do believe what momma teaches them about finding food and water, dustbathing and danger, all gets stored in their genes as learned techniques to later teach their babies. So a good broody momma will produce smarter, stronger babies.

It's a known fact that pen/human raised Quail can not be released into the wild and survive. They are unable to find food, water or protect themselves from predators. Had these same Quail been raised by a broody momma in the wild, the odds of survival shoot way up to normal wild bird survival rates. Nature has to make these broody signals so clear to babies to keep the species alive. Very interesting and mysterious!

This is interesting! I never knew that about quail. So far, I can definitely attest for the fact that broodies teach babies how to thrive

 

[TwoCrows]

This is interesting! I never knew that about quail. So far, I can definitely attest for the fact that broodies teach babies how to thrive

They indeed do! Clues are subtle, to us it looks like birds doing bird nonsense, but they are communicating on another level for survival. Broodies teach their babies about the environment they are being raised in, so their knowledge is limited to whatever is in said environment however and of course the extent of their own raising from their broody momma.

This survival rate stuff is not exclusive to quail but nearly all birds and Im sure many mammals too. I worked with a quail release program here in New Mexico, raising quail for release. I got out of it once I learned I was basically sending them to their deaths. Animals need their mommas, humans need to butt out of wildlife's lives!

 

[fluffycrow]

They indeed do! Clues are subtle, to us it looks like birds doing bird nonsense, but they are communicating on another level for survival. Broodies teach their babies about the environment they are being raised in, so their knowledge is limited to whatever is in said environment however and of course the extent of their own raising from their broody momma.

This survival rate stuff is not exclusive to quail but nearly all birds and Im sure many mammals too. I worked with a quail release program here in New Mexico, raising quail for release. I got out of it once I learned I was basically sending them to their deaths. Animals need their mommas, humans need to butt out of wildlife's lives!

That does make sense. And abso-chickin'-lutely on the last one!