just a question.....why buy a dog from a breeder? Why not SAVE a dog from a shelter? The Marin shelter is awesome and will guide towards more herding type breeds. My boy is a shelter rescue, he has some sort of shepherd and some thing else mixed in and he was going to be killed when I adopted him. $90 bucks. Neutered, shots, deworm, microchippped, flea control. CAN'T BET THE PRICE! PLUS YOU ARE SAVING A LIFE. I call it karma. Save an animal, something good will come of it. My dog is EXCELLENT at watching the stock, he is great with kids and animals of all kinds, he sheepherds and he is very' gorgeous!! i got him at about 8-10 months old. And I don't regret it. Check out this boy!!