Local Man Selling Infected Poultry Knowingly

[leadwolf1]

I just can't believe someone would wish this on anyone. He even sold sick birds to a 14 year old kid and infected that young man's flock.
She is going to be calling the DOA today and I will let you know if she hears anything. It's just so frustrating. Especially since she is working on a breed that is so rare and important to us Canadians.

I like to believe that the people who do this are just ignorant...not that they are intentionally setting out to ruin someone else's flock. Some people just think that a healthy dose of antibiotics will cure the illness and then there is no harm done. I have to think this way or, it would drive me crazy. I have heard that so many times even on this forum...people think that since their flocks are no longer symptomatic, it is okay to sell. They just do not understand the carrier situation. I've read it about ILT, Coryza, MG, Marek's...the list could go on and on.

 

[aoxa]

I like to believe that the people who do this are just ignorant...not that they are intentionally setting out to ruin someone else's flock.  Some people just think that a healthy dose of antibiotics will cure the illness and then there is no harm done.  I have to think this way or, it would drive me crazy.  I have heard that so many times even on this forum...people think that since their flocks are no longer symptomatic, it is okay to sell.  They just do not understand the carrier situation.  I've read it about ILT, Coryza, MG, Marek's...the list could go on and on. 

Oh he knows. He was kicked out of a show 2 years ago because his birds were sick. The president of the fur and feather club in my area knows his name and relates him to many people with the same issues.

Whatever this disease is, it does not look good. Not good at all

 

[leadwolf1]

I am so sorry for your friend and all the others that have bought unknowingly from him. Isn't there some kind of local agency that could put a stop to him selling sick animals?

 

[aoxa]

I am so sorry for your friend and all the others that have bought unknowingly from him.  Isn't there some kind of local agency that could put a stop to him selling sick animals?

If it is ILT, yes. I am not so sure about Coreyza or CRD. If it is ILT they will take out his entire flock and he will be liable for every other flock he has infected.

The government compensates for ILT, they pay you 2/3 of the cost of your flock. So if it was any of these, it might be the best hope.. Since all of them are carrier diseases, and she won't be able to breed, sell or show.

D.O.A is the Department of Agriculture. They come out to vaccinate free of charge every six months if you ask them to. So it's not like it's a hard thing to do. It is a workout though. I had to catch all of my birds for him. I was really sweating to say the least.

 

[Fred's Hens]

I would never bring anything home from them. I showered after the June sale that we went to in which he was in attendance. My shoes were my regular outdoor shoes, and not my barn boots that I wear every time I go down to my own barn, but I washed them in the washing machine anyway. Speckledhen's thread really had me properly trained

I just wish I could have told my friend about this before she went ahead and bought the birds.
If it is ILT, my birds will be safe from it when I bring them to show, as they have all been vaccinated. I wouldn't even bring any birds in if I had a suitable quarantine place. They would HAVE to be ILT vaccinated and from someone I know practices proper biosecurity, and even then, I'd be iffy.

I agree. 20 or 30 years ago, I'd not given such things much of a thought, quite honestly. But now? Even an OT like me can learn new things, LOL

I've backed away completely. About 4 years ago, we undertook a modest breeding program. This year, we've taken on heritage birds so there is no way I can be casual about such things anymore. Two weeks ago, some friends wanted to go down to the US127 sale in Casey County, KY. Just to look around and what not. I respectfully declined.

 

[aoxa]

I agree.  20 or 30 years ago, I'd not given such things much of a thought, quite honestly.  But now?  Even an OT like me can learn new things, LOL

I've backed away completely.   About 4 years ago, we undertook a modest breeding program.  This year, we've taken on heritage birds so there is no way I can be casual about such things anymore.  Two weeks ago, some friends wanted to go down to the US127 sale in Casey County, KY.  Just to look around and what not.  I respectfully declined.  

When you have poultry like you have - I know you have those gorgeous heritage barred rocks - you can't risk anything like that. Not saying that birds that are hatchery quality are not worth protecting, but we need to preserve certain breeds that are critically endangered. I have a few breeds that I could not afford to infect, so I take this whole plague thing seriously. It is not something to mess around with.

I think these sales/swaps should have more of a regulation. I know any visibly sick birds are removed, but the healthy stock could be carriers.. Then what? I think they should at least be vaccinated against epidemics like ILT, as it has wiped out many flocks in my area.

 

[leadwolf1]

Wow. I wish they did that here. I have vaccinated all of my birds for Marek's, twice. That was quite an adventure..especially since you only have an hour to get everyone done!

I'm hoping for the best for your friend. I would hate to have my flock wiped out but, having a closed flock wouldn't be much fun either.

If ILT will stop that man..that would be for the best!

 

[aoxa]

Wow.  I wish they did that here.  I have vaccinated all of my birds for Marek's, twice.  That was quite an adventure..especially since you only have an hour to get everyone done!

I'm hoping for the best for your friend.  I would hate to have my flock wiped out but, having a closed flock wouldn't be much fun either.

If ILT will stop that man..that would be for the best!

ILT will fully protect any vaccinated bird from an infected one, but if you have birds that are not vaccinated and birds that are, and the ones that are not vaccinated get the disease, even your vaccinated birds are exterminated by the province. It's really sad that perfectly healthy birds are culled, but live and learn.

I have never heard of Maerks in my area. It's not something any of us vaccinate for. I've spoken with you about that before, and it is just devastating. I am so sorry you are going through that - Are any disease free?

 

[leadwolf1]

Many are disease free but, all are carriers. I can sell eggs. I just can't show, sell birds or ever own any that aren't vaccinated and isolated for weeks before introducing them to my flock. I have lost almost all of my show stock to Marek's so, at this point it isn't an issue. I just want to get to the point where I'm not losing them week after week. Right now, I only have one symptomatic but, that can change in a heartbeat...it's day to day around here.

 

[sega]

I would never bring anything home from them. I showered after the June sale that we went to in which he was in attendance. My shoes were my regular outdoor shoes, and not my barn boots that I wear every time I go down to my own barn, but I washed them in the washing machine anyway. Speckledhen's thread really had me properly trained

I just wish I could have told my friend about this before she went ahead and bought the birds.
If it is ILT, my birds will be safe from it when I bring them to show, as they have all been vaccinated. I wouldn't even bring any birds in if I had a suitable quarantine place. They would HAVE to be ILT vaccinated and from someone I know practices proper biosecurity, and even then, I'd be iffy.

The State Vet that does the NPIP testing in my area, says to do what you stated when you I go to a Chicken sale or Chicken Show. He says before I go out to my Chicken Pens I should wash my cloths, shower, never wear the same shoes in my pens that I wear to the sales, bleach my boots. He says that most of the Chickens sold at chicken auctions are sick from some type of disease. That the owners most of the time are fully aware that the birds they are selling are sick. By taking them to the auction at least they can get a little something for them instead of killing them. Kind of sounds Greasy, but that is the way people are these days. Not too many Honest people around anymore. It's all about the Dollar... If my flock was to get infected I would kill all of them and start over again. I have already done it once and would do it again rather than sell infected birds. The best thing to do is raise your own birds and never bring a new bird into the flock. He my just be drugged up to make him look well. You never known until your flock is sick that the bird you brought in was sick.