LOS ANGELES county CA under bird quarantine :(

[IamRainey]

Sorry, Breanne, I couldn't disagree more. Those Regan-era thoughts that the government is the problem are what have gotten us to the point where half the country is disgusted with the other half.

And if government hadn't stepped in and taken control of this problem in CA it would probably have spread statewide and made more movement into AZ and UT than it did. Our exports would be shot. Our ability to feed ourselves would have been compromised. Even the East Coast hatcheries will be breathing a sigh of relief when they can sell to SoCal again. And I was just speaking to one of my local feed store owners the other day about the success that's been made. They've really suffered from not being able to buy or sell birds.

Individual commercial operators couldn't have solved the problem on their own. The &#^$ cock fighting community sure as hell wasn't ever going to take the problem seriously! And we've seen what a hot mess some backyard owners made of the eradication program. It is most specifically the government that stepped in, did the hard job and took the heat for it to help that is getting this situation under control.

 

[Aunt Angus]

There are some people with whom you can't argue. Y'all can decide to whom I am referring.

 

[BreanneRN]

Sorry, Breanne, I couldn't disagree more. Those Regan-era thoughts that the government is the problem are what have gotten us to the point where half the country is disgusted with the other half.

And if government hadn't stepped in and taken control of this problem in CA it would probably have spread statewide and made more movement into AZ and UT than it did. Our exports would be shot. Our ability to feed ourselves would have been compromised. Even the East Coast hatcheries will be breathing a sigh of relief when they can sell to SoCal again. And I was just speaking to one of my local feed store owners the other day about the success that's been made. They've really suffered from not being able to buy or sell birds.

Individual commercial operators couldn't have solved the problem on their own. The &#^$ cock fighting community sure as hell wasn't ever going to take the problem seriously! And we've seen what a hot mess some backyard owners made of the eradication program. It is most specifically the government that stepped in, did the hard job and took the heat for it to help that is getting this situation under control.

Sing their praises all you like, the fact remains it was handled very poorly. How many birds would still be alive if they had acted at the first outbreak instead of waiting for funding for 6 months? The disease is not eradicated and is still lurking out there. Those who think we won't be going through this again in another few years (if not sooner) are seriously deluding themselves. The bottom line is that we need way better ways/methods to deal with virulent viruses than what we are doing now. Nothing that caused the original problem is gone, and chickens are popular pets. If the government really wants to help, they will cough up some grant money for research for that, not only for the sake of "our birds" but for our own sake, as more and more virulent viruses are infecting humans around the world. With increasing mobility in human populations, it is inevitable that they will eventually spread and creep across the border here. I wish it weren't true, but time will most likely and unfortunately prove me out. I will look forward to a time in the future, when some researchers with foresight and problem solving ability, develop better ways to deal with viruses, and we look back at the current method of annihilating millions of birds to control a virus as the unbelievable, primitive, and unnecessarily cruel practice that this bungled eradication attempt has shown it to be. And this outbreak is not over until it is over, it does not pay to count your chickens before they are hatched.

 

[Eric Vey]

The bottom line is that we need way better ways/methods to deal with virulent viruses than what we are doing now.

Until the human race can come up with a better and cheaper way you might want to make suggestions rather than complaints. My wife had an amputation to stop one. I'll make a suggestion now.

There are vaccinations for the various Newcastle diseases and maybe for the exotic/virulent strain. It's worth a try and I highly suggest that people buying new chickens in So. Cal. form groups to buy them at reasonable cost.

Else, like you say, we will be right here again in a few years.

 

[BreanneRN]

Until the human race can come up with a better and cheaper way you might want to make suggestions rather than complaints. My wife had an amputation to stop one. I'll make a suggestion now.

There are vaccinations for the various Newcastle diseases and maybe for the exotic/virulent strain. It's worth a try and I highly suggest that people buying new chickens in So. Cal. form groups to buy them at reasonable cost.

Else, like you say, we will be right here again in a few years.

Gee, where have you been? We have covered the whole vaccine subject on this thread and why no one in the states uses them and why they don't work, multiple times... This virus easily mutates around vaccines so they don't work, birds vaccinated still get the disease because they work poorly, those that may survive are carriers and can infect others, vaccination will show up as a positive for the disease when the CDFA comes knocking on your door. If vaccines for this worked we wouldn't be on this thread now, and the CDFA would have been passing out vaccines instead of killing millions of chickens. Sorry about your wife though... There are some seriously bad bugs out there.

 

[Eric Vey]

Then you know more than the epidemiologists.

And when all else fails, drastic action is necessary. My wife would surely have preferred not to have that amputation, but it saved her life.

 

[Kiki]

Then you know more than the epidemiologists.

And when all else fails, drastic action is necessary. My wife would surely have preferred not to have that amputation, but it saved her life.

What illness did your wife suffer from?

 

[casportpony]

I've been getting calls from people in the quarantine area wanting to buy peafowl and I have to kindly tell them no.

 

[BreanneRN]

Then you know more than the epidemiologists.
And when all else fails, drastic action is necessary. My wife would surely have preferred not to have that amputation, but it saved her life.

Here is a quote about vaccines, from "A Review of Virulent Newcastles Disease in the United States"
The mass inoculation strategy of live (sometimes attenuated) vaccines has resulted in concern about the potential for reversion to virulence of attenuated strains or the leaching of these strains into the environment [6, 62]. In fact, Miller et al. articulate three factors that contribute to the risk of an outbreak: (1) only a few nucleotide changes are needed on the fusion gene to convert a low virulence virus to a strain of high virulence, (2) the low virulence viruses are endemic nearly universally and large, highly mobile reservoirs are capable of moving these viruses around the globe, (3) billions of (mostly live) vaccines are administered annually, often in a spray or drinking water, which likely leads to environmental contamination. Importantly, vaccinated poultry have been implicated as the reservoir for virulent strains of NDV as a result of the ability to become infected with virulent strains following vaccination and shed infectious virus in the absence of clinical disease [6]. This topic is still widely discussed as some believe shedding of infectious virus is resultant from incomplete or non-uniform mass vaccination methods; however, some evidence does exist to suggest that vaccinated birds may serve as reservoirs for virulent NDV [64]. Furthermore, vaccination may be providing selective pressure that favors the evolution of variant forms of NDV, especially driven by the genetic homogeneity of hosts, production practices (high density), and intensive and imprecise vaccination protocols.

Additionally, a recent review of NDV vaccines by Dimitrov et al. asserts that new vaccine concepts are needed as current vaccination protocols are insufficient to quell disease under various environmental conditions. Challenges identified are specifically related to uneven vaccine application under mass vaccine administration techniques, difficulty vaccinating free-roaming birds, especially those of varying ages, obstacles maintaining the cold chain, and pre-existing antibodies which can neutralize the vaccine and reduce efficacy [65].

Now you can know more than an epidemiologist too.

 

[Eric Vey]

Here is a quote about vaccines, from "A Review of Virulent Newcastles Disease in the United States"
The mass inoculation strategy of live (sometimes attenuated) vaccines has resulted in concern about the potential for reversion to virulence of attenuated strains or the leaching of these strains into the environment [6, 62]. In fact, Miller et al. articulate three factors that contribute to the risk of an outbreak: (1) only a few nucleotide changes are needed on the fusion gene to convert a low virulence virus to a strain of high virulence, (2) the low virulence viruses are endemic nearly universally and large, highly mobile reservoirs are capable of moving these viruses around the globe, (3) billions of (mostly live) vaccines are administered annually, often in a spray or drinking water, which likely leads to environmental contamination. Importantly, vaccinated poultry have been implicated as the reservoir for virulent strains of NDV as a result of the ability to become infected with virulent strains following vaccination and shed infectious virus in the absence of clinical disease [6]. This topic is still widely discussed as some believe shedding .

[QUOTE="BreanneRN, post: 21568928, member: 482045The mass inoculation strategy of live (sometimes attenuated) vaccines has resulted in concern about the potential for reversion to virulence of attenuated strains or the leaching of these strains into the environmentQUOTE]

Exactly. The mass inoculations were done in third world countries by people who often can't read or write.

That's why they recommend vaccinations be limited to recurrent areas and be carefully administered. A vaccination program like that has never been studied.